Monday, October 06, 2008

NASCAR got the call right at Talladega


It's hard to come to NASCAR's defense when it makes the right call on something because it's like somebody throwing darts at a board. Eventually some of them have to wind up sticking.

NASCAR got the call right Sunday at Talladega by penalizing Regan Smith for passing under the yellow line. It might not be popular to say that, but that's how I see it.

Here's why. If you're going to have a rule that says you cannot improve your position by going under the yellow line, then a battle between the first- and second-place cars on the final lap of a race should be the time when that rule in MOST in effect, not when it's suspended. A pass for the lead on the final lap would be the single most important pass of a race. If there's a rule, why would that NOT be covered by the rule? That doesn't make any sense.

Now this is where NASCAR shoots itself in the foot -- and the ankle, the shin, the knee and the thigh.

In February 2007 you had Ramsey Poston saying that when a driver can see the checkered flag he can "get all he can get. Sunday night, Jim Hunter said that's not the rule. Later Sunday night, Robin Pemberton apparently told an Associated Press reporter that you CAN pass under the line on the last lap but only if you can see the flagstand -- not the flag.

Now Poston, Hunter and Pemberton all work for and, when they are dealing with the meida, speak for NASCAR.

Wow, glad they cleared that up.

It's ridiculous to have a rule that's the same except for the lap it matters most. But with all the confusion I can't tell you what the proper call, by rule, would have been.

(UPDATE -- NASCAR president Mike Helton issued at statement Monday saying that, going forward, passing under the yellow line will not be allowed at any point during races at Talladega and Daytona -- even on the last lap. It's a day late, but at least NASCAR's on the record about what the rule actually IS now.)

But I can say it's my opinion that Smith gained an advantage by going out of bounds to make his pass Sunday at Tallaadega, so NASCAR did the right thing by penalizing.

I don't blame Smith for trying -- in fact, I applaud him for it. He could have setteled for second, which would have bettered his best career Cup finish by 12 spots. He made NASCAR make a call and the sacntioning body has been known to swallow its whistle in cases like this one before.

But I don't want to hear that Smith didn't "improve his posistion" until after he'd come back above the yellow line. Some are saying that Smith was still in second place when the got back above the line, but that's nuts. He was behind Stewart's car when he went out of bounds and beside it when he came back up. He'd improved his position and his chance to pass Stewart by going out of bounds.

Was Smith forced below the line? I don't think so. Stewart blocked him, absolutely. But some fans are saying Smith had only two choices -- go below the line or wreck Stewart and maybe himself. Well, there was a third choice and that was to do neither. He had to know that Stewart would make a counter-move to the low side trying to protect his line. So if he makes a move where his only "out" is to go below the line, that was his mistake.

Did you expect Stewart to simply give way, to not go back to the inside and try to use the line to his advantage? Of course not. That's not how it's done in today's restrictor plate racing. If Smith had been beside Stewart when Stewart moved left, that would be one thing. At best -- at best -- Smith had the first few inches of the nose of his car beside the Stewart's rear bumper. But Stewart closed the door, doing exactly what the leader has to do in plate races these days.

NASCAR needs to get its story straight and -- for the 97,458,457th time -- it needs to apply its rules the same way everytime the same issue comes up. But, as hard as it is for the people who don't like how things turned out Sunday, this is how the call SHOULD be made every time.

59 comments:

Anonymous said...

Did YOU expect Smith to back off the gas and not only not have a chance to win the race, but possibly lose more positions?

C'mon, David, he did EXACTLY what other drivers have done on the last lap, when they can see the flag, the flagstand, whatever......and those guys got to keep the win......

No, NASCAR did NOT get it right.....not when it isn't consistent with other rulings that they've made since this rule came into effect.

And, even if you want to go with that.......they also go against their own rule when they insist that he would have had to come down pit road........No, he would not have. The rule is that the driver can 'give back the position'...the problem for Regan was, it was the last lap...no way to 'give back the position'...so, in reality, if they didn't want to let him have the win, they also should not have penalized him to the last car on the lead lap.

I guarentee I won't change your opinion with this...but I assure you, you aren't going to change mine (or a lot of other people who feel this way), either.

Chrissy

Anonymous said...

you are now OFFICIALLY a NASCAR shill

Greg said...

Smith WON the Race!!!!
And NASCAR Stole it away!!!

They never keep the rules the same they change them to suit the moment.
I have had enough of Nascar it is not the same a cross the board for all the drivers. If that had been Dale jr , Jeff Gordon, JJ, or Richard Petty they would have been at least 2nd.
They have let this become the WWF. That is why they have to have commercials on sirus "This is a Sport" all the time.
This my be your Nascar Brain France's Nascar but not mine.
I will spend no more of my Money on this WWF Nascar!!!!

Monkeesfan said...

David, you caught Jim Hunter in a contradiction that showed how unserious the rule is. Rules are never rules in NASCAR where the EIRI clause always trumps the rulebook.

First, no one has ever given a credible reason why it is supposed to be NASCAR's business to police racing below the yellow line. The safety argument is bunk and was shown to be such by Regan Smith's pass.

Second, the favoritism angle inevitably comes into play. In 2003 Dale Junior passed Jimmie Johnson and Matt Kenseth with five to go on the apron of Turn Three - and was not penalized; NASCAR claimed he had already passed when he went to the apron, but in fact he was nose-to-nose with Johnson and Kenseth, nowhere close to clearing them without going to the apron. It was a case of the sanctioning body playing CYA to justify letting a star driver get away with something a Regan Smith would not be allowed to get away with.

NASCAR flip-flopped yet again. They cannot justify either the sagacity of the rule or the way they enforce it. If it's paved and it isn't pit road, it's anything goes.

All this proves is that Jim Hunter is a tool.

Bob said...

If the rule is written that way, then it is the right call. If they didn't see Stewart pinch him low, they need their eyes checked. If it was Dale or Tony they would have seen it differently. Creativity at it's finest.

JackBauer said...

No Nascar did not get the call right. It 100% got it wrong. DEAD FUCKING WRONG. Nascar's position since Febuary of 2007 was that if you are within sight of the checkers anything goes. Regan Smith was within sight of the checker flag therefore anything goes. End of fucking discussion. For the 97,432,234 time Nascar fucked it up. They dont know/care about their own rules/positions. Your opinion that the rule should apply to all laps is valid, but thats not the rule according to Ramsey Poston, Randy Pemberton, and a 3rd guy whose name escapes me.

John said...

Every report I've read says that in the drivers meeting NASCAR said, YOU CAN'T DRIVE BELOW THE YELLOW LINE AND IMPROVE YOUR POSITION. Nothing about except on the last lap, or except if you drive for DEI or except if you are passing a two time champion.

YOU CAN'T DRIVE BELOW THE YELLOW LINE AND IMPROVE YOUR POSITION.

If a driver can't understand a clear rule that is laid out at the drivers meeting, maybe he isn't smart enough to be driving anyhow.

You got it right David. NASCAR made the right call...for a change.

David B said...

How did you get this job anyway??? Bob Henry must really be desperate for help. You're more inane than Steve McCormick at About.com

Anonymous said...

"Nothing about except on the last lap, or except if you drive for DEI or except if you are passing a two time champion."

You need to get with the times man. Read the god damn blog. Ramsey Poston went on TMD and said on that very show you should do whatever within sight on the checker flag. Theres a link to a quote on jayski too.

Check it out.

Anonymous said...

David: you are right - nascar finally made the right call. How can a rule be stated every race at the driver's meeting - they actually showed a clip of the driver's meeting when this was discussed on the pre-race show. Obviously, Regan Smith can't hear or thought he was going to steal a race. It sounds like a lot of fans think anything goes on the last lap and that makes no sense at all!

Anonymous said...

Get rid of that damn sissy line.

Jason said...

The only way for NASCAR to fix this is to publish its rulebook. Until then fans will continue to question every call. All of the other major sports have a rulebook you can purchase. Why not NASCAR?

Anonymous said...

My level of disgust with nascar is such that I will never watch,purchase any product,keep informed,etc etc. What a pathetic excuse for a governing body.First there is the last lap rule.Second the forced below the line rule. All ignored for a "star" driver.This is just an invitation to dead drivers and perhaps even dead fans.All it takes is a big enough wreck with enough flying debris going 200 mph and sooner orlater people are going to be dead. Nascars view is that regan should have held his ground and wrecked the entire field rather than go below. I guess dead drivers sell. Screw that and screw nascar.1 last comment. Screw michael waltrip as well for his spineless,gutless wimpering comments about the outcome.

David Poole said...

Jason -- The rule book is published. Buy a NASCAR license and you can have one. But race procedures like the yellow-line rule at Talladega aren't in the rule book. Just like the ground rules for every baseball stadium aren't in baseball's rule book. That's why the umpires meet at home plate before every game, to go over those ground rules. It's the same as the NASCAR drivers' meeting, where procedures for each track are reviewed. Same exact thing.

Jack -- I said it at the Sirius forum and I will say it here. Please stop with the four-letter words. You're not impressing anybody talking like a drunken sailor.

nh_nascarfan said...

For starters, yes, Jack, get rid of the cuss words. It adds nothing to your argument and in fact takes alot away.

Was NASCAR right? Yes. Just because they failed to enforce their own rules in the past doesnt mean the should not now.

They were wrong in the truck race and with Dale Jr, that doesnt mean its ok for Regan Smith to break the rules.

HOWEVER... in defense of what Smith did, with all of the inconsistancies with NASCAR, including 3 of the top guys giving different interpretations of the rules, its no wonder he wasnt aware.

Bottom line is NASCAR needs to consistantly enforce all rules the same way, every time.

Greg said...

David your are right Jack needs to clean-up his mouth. This is not a pool hall it is a public blog.

Bonkrr said...

Did Regan Smith make the pass below the yellow line? Yes, no question about it. However, if you read one of the other stories on thatsracin.com, you will see the following ;

Helton also said drivers were given clear instruction in Sunday’s pre-race drivers’ meeting, saying the rule was given to the drivers as follows:

"This is your warning: race above the yellow line. If, in NASCAR's judgment, you go below the yellow line to improve your position, you will be black-flagged. If in NASCAR's judgment you force someone below the yellow line (in an effort to stop him from passing you), you may be black-flagged.”

If you can honestly claim that you believe Smith was not forced below the line, then I am left to wonder if you even watched the race. Smith went high and Stewart went high to block, Smith went low and Stewart went lower. Smith's options were to either go lower and complete his pass, or slow down in which case we could watch another 20 cars get wasted at this abomination of a race.

Asking yourself one simple question can clear up a lot of this controversy.....If Tony Stewart were in the 01 and Regan Smith were in the 20, who would be awarded the win. I think we all know that Fat Tony would be doing donuts either way. NASCAR has always favoured the top drivers and likely always will. I won't bore you with examples, but I think Robby Gordon could give you an example.

Anonymous said...

Nascar's calling the rules one way when its a star, then calling the rules a different way when its a rookie is why I watch Sprint Cup on TV instead of buying a ticket.

Kenorv said...

I'm a Stewart fan and I thought that Smith should have been declared the winner only because of the confusion with the rule. It's obvious that there was no clear cut rule because even the NASCAR officials weren't sure of the rule. If NASCAR doesn't even know what the rule is then how can they expect the drivers to know?

Smith didn't lose that race because of the rule, he lost the race because of who he is, or who he isn't, however you want to look at it. If he was Jimmy Johnson or Jeff Gordon or Jr. then I bet NASCAR lets the infraction slide and gives him the win the same way that they let Jr.'s pass of Kenseth that was below the yellow line at Dega a few years slide. Or what if the roles were reversed? What would have happened if it was Smith leading and Stewart was the one that made the pass below the yellow line? I bet they give the win to Stewart just because he's the star and Regan isn't.

NASCAR can say they made this decision based on the rule but I guarantee they made this decision based on the fact that Stewart is the star and Smith isn't.

Anonymous said...

After watching the replay, it looked like Tony got to far off the line and left just enough room for Smith to stick his fender in there before Tony decided to drop back down on the line and protect his position. He then moved up and let the 01 back up on the track. Regan Smith probably watched what Tony did to Kenseth a couple years back and decided to go lower then he wanted to for fear of being body slammed at 200mph.

Anonymous said...

So smart guy David, NASCAR issued a statement saying "going forward" no one goes below the yellow line on the last lap - period. So what does that say existed in Sunday's race???? Explain that one.

Michael W. said...

There is a contradiction here.

NASCAR clearly stated that blocking and forcing someone below the yellow was grounds for a black flag. When asked why they didn't penalize Stewart for doing so, there were two answers:
He didn't force Smith below, and/or anything goes coming to the checkers.

It is clear that Stewart moved two lanes up to block Smith and then two lanes below to run him out of bounds, and that is by Stewart's own admission. So if we prove the idea that Stewart DID in fact force Smith below the yellow line, then the only other reason they allowed it was the coming to the checkers rule.

But is it not illogical to say that for the leader anything goes coming to the checkers, but for the guy forced down below the line in second that rule doesn't apply?

Couple this with the fact that two of the top 3 NASCAR officals had different explanations and rules for the same event leads me to believe as usual, NASCAR is making this up as they go. Some drivers are more equal than others it seems.

Anyone remember Michigan?

Lloyd said...

The yellow line rule was created as a safety preventative measure. If someone goes down to pass below the yellow line and comes up and get clipped in the right rear then 9 times out of 10 they will be hitting the outside wall head on at speed nearing 200 mph. We do not want to see another incident similar to that of Dale Sr.

I would be willing to bet that if roles were reversed it would have been the same outcome. If Stewart had dived down there to pass Smith then he would have been penalized the same way. NASCAR cannot let this happen or it would continue to happen every year and one of these time it would end up in a bad wreck that nobody wants.

David it is not often that I agree with you, but on this one I agree %100.

Anonymous said...

I believe Greg Biffle said it best on "This Week In NASCAR", "this tells me that if I'm in that position at the next restrictor plate race at Daytona, then I'm gonna wreck the whole field."

Plain and simple, its about who you are in this "sport" and how much money your sponsor brings in.

Anonymous said...

David you spelled a lot of words worng. I'm disappointed.

and

I cant believe I'm saying this but I agree with you.

Tony got the win. Everyone needs to move on.

jamie said...

mike helton many times has said that the crowd needs to go home knowing who won the race. once they told the 20 to go to victory lane, i knew that it was over at that point and all arguments were mute.

i truly despise plate racing because every rule in plate racing that is done in the name of safety, creates another situation that is not safe. there are more safety rules in plate racing yet it remains the most dangerous form of racing in nascar.

there is a quote floating around about our fourth amendment rights. it says those who give up freedom for security have neither freedom nor security. we can amend that to nascar and state those who give up a little competition for safety has neither safety nor competition.

Anonymous said...

NASCAR issued a statement saying "going forward" no one goes below the yellow line on the last lap - period. So what does that say existed in Sunday's race???? Fans are still waiting ....

Anonymous said...

Poole your arguments are bogus. Everything you mentioned about baseball is SPELLED OUT in the rulebook. Check your FACTS next time. http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/downloads/y2008/official_rules/03_game_preliminaries.pdf

NASCAR is a JOKE. The ONLY reason not to write them down is so they ALWAYS can claim they make the right call.

Anonymous said...

I think the only question is whether or not the 20 was blocking. Say what you will about F1, but if they think youre blocking your gonna get a penalty. The 20 made obvious counter moves to block the 01 and should have penalized.

Lloyd said...

"Say what you will about F1, but if they think youre blocking your gonna get a penalty."

They were not racing in an F1 event! They are racing with restrictor plates and the whole damn race is one big blocking match. That is dumbest comment I have read today.

Anonymous said...

What I don't get is that it is OK to deliberately block on the final lap and if you are running in second, you are just supposed to slow up and let the blocker win. I won't be sitting all afternoon watching this farce any more, where the fastest car is not allowed to win - for whatever reason. NASCAR is mostly a joke!

Erik said...

I'm not sure what else I can add to this, but it appeared to me that Tony Stewart forced Regan Smith below the yellow line when he came back down the track to try to block Regan Smith from passing him on the low side. Tony went up to block Regan on the high side, so Regan went low to try to go around. As Regan started to go around, Tony came back down to try to block him on the low side FORCING Regan below the yellow line. It doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to see that this is exactly what happened. Watch the video! The race winner should have been Regan Smith. Tony Stewart should have been black-flagged for forcing a competitor below the yellow line. Why should Regan Smith have had to give up his spot on the track? It is apparent, based on all the comments posted here, that the majority of fans agree with me. This also proves true with the poll on nascar.com. NASCAR can not keep making up the rules as they go along. They have to be CONSISTENT!!!! NASCAR DID NOT GET THE CALL RIGHT!!!! As others have stated, Mike Helton said, "going forward"...what about "the past", which was Sunday's race at Talladega???? There must be a past if Mike Helton is mentioning "going forward"...right???? There would be no other reason to say, "going forward" in regards to the yellow line at Daytona and Talladega if the rule had been cut and dry. This CLEARLY shows that the rule was not cut and dry, which is why many drivers were under the impression that anything goes on the last lap. However, we can't really say that anything goes if you can see the flagstand. Who would determine when a driver can actually see the flagstand? I'm sure some drivers can see farther than others. I doubt everyone's eyesight is exactly the same. Maybe we should draw another yellow line across every track on exit from TURN 4. This could be the ANYTHING GOES line for the last lap of each race. Once you cross it on the last lap, anything goes!!!! This would be much more clear than saying, "when you can see the flagstand, anything goes" wouldn't it???? It seems as though NASCAR has a lot of things/rules to clear up.

And David, not all of us can afford a NASCAR license in order to get a published NASCAR rule book. That was a pretty arrogant/stupid comment on your part. Is NASCAR trying to hide something? Do they not want the fans to have a copy of their so-called rule book? Just curious!

Have a great day!
Erik

Jason said...

David,

I know NASCAR has a rulebook out there. But at least the other sports have one that you can purchase at a bookstore.

The problem is that there are too many judgement calls in NASCAR, and in most cases the fans dont trust NASCAR to make the right calls. That is a problem.

Calls that are made one week, are not always the calls that are made the following week.

Anonymous said...

If the 01 just got door to door with the 20 and then turned hard right into 20 would that violate the rule? since he didnt pass him while below the yellow line? I only watch for the wrecks, which is why short rack racing is so much more entertaining.

Anonymous said...

The yellow line rule was created as a safety preventative measure.

Why would NASCAR want to prevent safety? Plate races should not have their own set or rules. My wife went the Dale Jarret School at Tdega and went around there as fast as the Cup cars. In a car with dry rotted tires and a crate motor.

Anonymous said...

Substitute Junior for Tony on the final lap and 98% of the people currently whining would be cheering. Bunch of hypocrits!!!!

Monkeesfan said...

lloyd, the yellow line rule was created to appease the screaming of Jimmy Spencer after the BGN 300 at Talladega in April 2001; the much-rumored at the time mass park-out for that weekend's 500-miler (which never happened) might have also been taken into account when NASCAR made the decision.

It was not done as a safety preventative measure because the premise behind that argument is that there had been accidents caused by drivers racing below the yellow line, yet one cannot find one such example to justify that line of reasoning. Certainly there was little realistic risk of a crash in Regan Smith's action, let alone risk by Tony Stewart passing below the yellow line on Daytona's east-end short chute, an incident that cost Stewart a shot at winning the 2001 Firecracker 400.

Citing Earnhardt's Daytona crash is absurd because no one raced below the yellow line there.

David Green said...

To one of the many "anonymous" posters -- you misunderstood DP's reference to baseball's pre-game meeting between managers and umpires. The link you provided gives general rules, not specifics about the different ballparks in which major league games are played. There are unique circumstances at many of the fields, just as there are differences between the various racetracks. One of the best examples is Wrigley Field's ivy-covered outfield walls. Nowhere else is there a rule regarding a ball that is lost in the ivy, nor is there a reference to that unique situation in the MLB rulebook. DP's comparison of the yellow-line rule to the various ballpark ground rules is perfectly valid.

I do agree, however, that the NASCAR rulebook ought to be public in a general sense, and not merely with regard to NASCAR's internal audience of members.

To Mike Daly: The yellow-line rule dates from February 1999, when Jeff Gordon nearly ran over Ricky Rudd (on the Daytona apron, as Rudd was exiting the pits) in a successful attempt to get past a blocking Rusty Wallace with 10 laps to go in the 500. The prospect of a driver racing recklessly into one of the high-banked turns on the apron as a consequence of such a move is the reason for the yellow-line rule.

Jason said...

David Green.

I agree with your comments. But what would happend if one game MLB said that a ball could be lost in the IVY, and the next day they said it was a ground rule double?

That is what has happend here. Ramsey Posten, and Robin Pemberton both have said it was okay on the last lap for one race. (Daytona truck race in 2007). Then Sunday it was not okay).

I dont care who wins a race, I just want NASCAR to be consistent with calls.

Also, there is not reason for NASCAR to not put that rule in a rule book. The rule could state something like this:

Passing is allowed below the yellow line at all NASCAR tracks. Except at Daytona and Talledega.

Really, how hard is that?

Jason said...

Words from Mike Helton

"This is your warning: race above the yellow line. If, in NASCAR's judgment, you go below the yellow line to improve your position, you will be black-flagged. If in NASCAR's judgment you force someone below the yellow line, in an effort to stop him from passing you, you may be black-flagged."


Read the last part, it says if you block someone below the yellow line you "MAY" be black flagged. He should of said that you "WILL" be blacked flagged.

I may be just reading too much into it, but it seems like just another statement by NASCAR that doesn't really clear anything up.

Anonymous said...

NASCAR issued a statement saying "going forward" no one goes below the yellow line on the last lap - period. So what does that say existed in Sunday's race???? STILL waiting ....

Anonymous said...

Sooner or later a MAN will be behind Tony and Tony will weave this way to block and that way to block, and the MAN won't back off and he'll put Tony in the wall, and that will be that.
Mark these words it WILL happen.

Greg said...

From now on if you are on the inside and it is the last lap there will be a big wreck.

There will be no more give and take and with 20 30 cars wadded up the yellow line rule on the last lap will be the blame.

Mike Hutton said...

Jason - Let me make sure I understand you correctly...you're making the point I don't think you were trying to make.

According to the excerpt from the driver's meeting, if you pass below the yellow line, you WILL be black-flagged (just like Regan Smith was). If, in NASCAR's opinion, you force someone below the yellow line, you MAY be black-flagged (Stewart didn't in NASCAR's opinion, so he wasn't).

Seems to me you've just made the case that NASCAR got the call right, which they did.

Jason said...

Mike,

I am just saying that if this happens next time and NASCAR makes a different decision, then they can say "well, we only said that you "MAY" be black flagged.

Jason said...

Mike,

Sorry I should have been a little clearer with the last post.

By saying that they "MAY" black flag someone it leaved the call up to NASCAR. The rule needs to be more clear. What if Tony would have clearly pushed Smith down below the yellow line? With this rule NASCAR could have made the same call. They need to say that they "WILL" black flag someone. Then their is no wiggle room.

Anonymous said...

Technically I guess NASCAR had it right. I will state (like beating a dead horse) if NASCAR wants to be on the same level as Pro Football, Baseball, etc, then they can absolutely NOT have 3 of the highest ranking folks in their organization giving 3 different interpretations of the same rule. Heck, if they do not know the rule, how can they impose it on the drivers. I am afraid though that situations like this is what is going to cause problems in the future. As I am writing this, I am watching "Trackside" on DVR. Reagan Smith was on there and stated, something along the lines of knowing the rule like he does now, there would have been a big wreck on Sunday. I can see it coming, mark my words, the next time we get in this situation, the driver in second will turn the leader, and at 200 mph can we really afford that to happen?

Bruce Simmons said...

NASCAR already conflicted itself in this matter across the board:

As Jim Utter reported:

Earnhardt Jr. said the incident was similar to a NASCAR call that went his way in a victory at Talladega in 2003 when he appeared to pass then-leader Matt Kenseth below the yellow line.

"It was exactly the same. I was forced below (the yellow line) and that was declared OK," Earnhardt Jr. said. "I know for a fact Regan didn't go down the front straightaway with a plan to pass (Stewart) on the apron. He was under (Stewart) on the race track when Tony came down and he was forced onto the apron.

"This is Regan Smith. If it's a guy who's won seven championships, maybe it's a different discussion. This guy ain't got a job next year as far as he knows," Earnhardt Jr. said.


NASCAR just isn't that consistent, but we need to keep in mind that this scenario isn't much different than out of bounds rules in other auto racing leagues. They all have gray areas they need to deal with. In this case, it's in our sites: NASCAR.

Hopefully, they stick to consistency with regards to released statements from days gone past, from this point forward!

Monkeesfan said...

To David Green - if the rule dates to the 1999 Daytona 500, then why was there a two-year time lag between that race and the implementatin of the rule at Talladega in April 2001? As for that particular 500, it illustrated one of the perennial absurdities of NASCAR rules and enforcement - the rule comes under fire instead of the actual guilty party, the driver in question (here Jeff Gordon). NASCAR needs to stop refusing to hold drivers 100% responsible for stupid situations - stop blaming rules for "forcing" drivers to do idiotic things.

Monkeesfan said...

bruce simmons, the only way NASCAR can have any consistency here is to stop policing racing below the yellow line. They have no business doing so to start with, and if a driver causes a problem, then blame the driver instead of the rule. Stop putting the onus on the rules and put it instead all on the driver(s).

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夏天很適合寶寶穿喔!對孩子的皮膚也有更好的保護
對有這樣困擾的baby有很大的幫助喔^^ 可以給你參考看看ㄉ^^
這種的護膚衣是天然竹炭材質
具有吸濕、排汗、抗菌的效果
現在天氣這麼熱,對小朋友應該是不錯的選擇
天然竹炭護膚衣寶寶專用 (點進去看看喔)
穿起來很舒適喔
可以看看網站上的影片
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是朋友哥哥的小孩穿的喔^^
也有關於嬰兒的一些資訊可以提供你參考喔
育兒知識 (點進去看看喔)