tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post6858010249702381317..comments2024-01-11T19:29:38.859-05:00Comments on Life in the Turn Lane: NASCAR suit a messy tangle of cultural and legal issuesUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-45343595440668463152008-08-18T17:54:00.000-04:002008-08-18T17:54:00.000-04:00NASCAR, the business, is almost Stalinist in its b...NASCAR, the business, is almost Stalinist in its behavior (circle the wagons behaviors, issuing edicts without justification, ignoring valid claims of inconsistency, etc.). Grant's attorneys will have a field day tearing up the organization. They may not lose $225M, but she'll walk away with 10% of that at the very least and have one helluva life thereafter because some idiots in NASCAR decided that she was 'one of the boys'.<BR/><BR/>If my wife worked for NASCAR, and she was subject to the racial/gender insults that we all know are pandemic in the workplace, there would have been blood and teeth on the floor of the garages. NASCAR needed to step up and deal with this harshly the first time it happened.<BR/><BR/>Now they'll pay. Not that they can't afford it 1000x over.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-86381541115160926812008-08-17T19:27:00.000-04:002008-08-17T19:27:00.000-04:00PaulB - "Monkeesfan, I don't know your background ...PaulB - <I>"Monkeesfan, I don't know your background so I'm curious. How is it that you know for sure these allegations are false?"</I><BR/><BR/>His background can be <A HREF="http://www.samizdata.net/blog/glossary_archives/2002/09/blogroach.html" REL="nofollow">found here</A>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-60779330332029868242008-08-17T17:48:00.000-04:002008-08-17T17:48:00.000-04:00Monkeesfan, I don't know your background so I'm cu...Monkeesfan, I don't know your background so I'm curious. How is it that you know for sure these allegations are false?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-62431499751952533202008-08-17T13:07:00.000-04:002008-08-17T13:07:00.000-04:00Re: anon12:04's comment: "Racist humor and languag...Re: anon12:04's comment: "Racist humor and language are an EVERYDAY feature of life in the NASCAR garage/pit/shop/offices from the top down and this FACT has created an environment where someone like Grant can make these claims(which ring true to form) and be taking seriously.":<BR/><BR/><BR/>I have lived in NC for two years and have had racist comments made to me by NASCAR fans who assume because I am lily-white I will agree with them. They get an eye-opener when I go full off on them, especially when I refer them to Dale Jr.'s comments during the 60 Minutes interview and trip through the 'Dega infield.<BR/><BR/>(And racist comments from people at large, not just NASCAR fans, of course. Whenever I mention a person giving me trouble in the "single woman" vein, I am inevitably asked "are they black?" I turn it around on them and ask why that would be their first question to me as I relate my story?)<BR/><BR/>I've had a stranger at the barstool next to me go off alleging Dale Earnhardt would be livid to know Max is running his company. <BR/><BR/>I've had another cluck when JPM won his race -- "A Mexican won, huh." -- Um, no, he's not a Mexican. <BR/><BR/>The most egregious thing that happened to me was in late May, when I -- despite wanting DESPERATELY to work in this field -- had to walk out of an interview when the team owner commenced to going off on Jesse Jackson, the Rainbow Coalition, Randy Moss and Brad Daugherty with a few N words thrown in for good measure in case I wasn't totally understanding him. <BR/><BR/>I was sick to my stomach and came home and crawled in bed, worrying that every stereotype that friends, family and strangers have about this sport was true. I know that's not the case, but episodes such as I have mentioned do not help at all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-13154667877532788272008-08-15T18:41:00.000-04:002008-08-15T18:41:00.000-04:00anon - "The chickens are coming home to roost and ...anon - <I>"The chickens are coming home to roost and NASCAR's diversity effort is nothing but lip service and is being exposed as the PC money grab insiders have always known it to be."</I><BR/><BR/>More unsubstantiated non-sense.<BR/><BR/>Got anything to back up that statement other than hot air? Just who has made money as a result of the Diversity program and why?<BR/><BR/>Congrats, you've reached the level of monkeesfan in posting utter BS.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-89902584462653011912008-08-15T00:04:00.000-04:002008-08-15T00:04:00.000-04:00"anonymous #22, Grant fabricated the whole thing -..."anonymous #22, Grant fabricated the whole thing - what don't you want to understand here? It's Tawana Brawley all over again."<BR/><BR/>EVEN if this idiot's assumption is true there is no denying what I mentioned in my previous post. <BR/><BR/>Racist humor and language are an EVERYDAY feature of life in the NASCAR garage/pit/shop/offices from the top down and this FACT has created an environment where someone like Grant can make these claims(which ring true to form) and be taking seriously.<BR/><BR/>The chickens are coming home to roost and NASCAR's diversity effort is nothing but lip service and is being exposed as the PC money grab insiders have always known it to be.<BR/><BR/>You do things for the wrong reasons long enough and you get bit in the ass.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-18725245127018772902008-08-13T14:49:00.000-04:002008-08-13T14:49:00.000-04:00monkeesfan - "anonymous #22, Grant fabricated the ...monkeesfan - <I>"anonymous #22, Grant fabricated the whole thing - what don't you want to understand here? It's Tawana Brawley all over again.</I><BR/><BR/>Really? Then perhaps you can explain why NASCAR fired two employees for exposing themselves to Grant?<BR/><BR/>And... oh yeah, provide a linked source that shows you may, and I stress the word MAY indicate you're close to factual.<BR/><BR/>(as opposed to being a blithering "idjit.")Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-70037242880250291922008-08-13T13:16:00.000-04:002008-08-13T13:16:00.000-04:00monkeesfan,Your hatred clouds your judgement.monkeesfan,<BR/><BR/>Your hatred clouds your judgement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-31259447818098770302008-08-13T10:51:00.000-04:002008-08-13T10:51:00.000-04:00anonymous #22, Grant fabricated the whole thing - ...anonymous #22, Grant fabricated the whole thing - what don't you want to understand here? It's Tawana Brawley all over again.Monkeesfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14522953722006761283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-87774598531705476072008-08-13T00:41:00.000-04:002008-08-13T00:41:00.000-04:00Mo Grant was indeed a suspect employee. She was in...Mo Grant was indeed a suspect employee. She was indeed hired for the wrong reasons.<BR/><BR/>Have any of you actually worked in a NASCAR garage/pit/shop? I have. For years. The comment about people having to adapt to NASCAR as opposed to NASCAR adapting to the modern world is DEAD on. NASCAR's diversity efforts came about to placate sponsors. That's it and that's all. <BR/><BR/>I have heard drivers, crew chiefs, NASCAR officials and members of NASCAR's first family use terms like "nig-rig" and others way more offensive. <BR/><BR/>Grants attorneys just need to use the same tactics with NASCAR's rulers...starting with NASCAR's own Ewing family, the Frances. Drugs, affairs, questionable accounting, numerous DUI's, "illegal use of hands",...it's all there. NASCAR is rotten from the top down.<BR/><BR/>You do things for the wrong reasons long enough and you get bit in the ass. And that's what is happening to the people running NASCAR right now. TheyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-47676990702779958892008-08-12T17:07:00.000-04:002008-08-12T17:07:00.000-04:00NASCAR is getting beat at their own PR game. This...NASCAR is getting beat at their own PR game. This never should have gotten this far. A minor settlement with confidentiality agrement would have made this go away and never come to light. Welcome to the modern era NASCAR. You are bungling this one worse than George Bush in the Iraqi desert. NASCAR is a major cooperation and needs to act like one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-90099772887012345352008-08-11T21:23:00.000-04:002008-08-11T21:23:00.000-04:00Typical smear campaign - if you have no defense fo...Typical smear campaign - if you have no defense for the CHARGES, trash the victim.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-27736609995527252942008-08-11T21:01:00.000-04:002008-08-11T21:01:00.000-04:00The scariest aspect of the entire Grant v. NASCAR ...The scariest aspect of the entire Grant v. NASCAR matter is the terrible outcry of racist and antagonistic comments by fans of the sport.<BR/>It appears if Ms. Grant was to interact, in any way, with some of those who responded to this marvelously insightful article, she may well fear for her life.<BR/>Perhaps what has been said about NASCAR for so long is really true.<BR/><BR/>It is a sport of and for ignorant white trash, racist hicks, most of whom do not have all their teeth and fornicate with their relatives.<BR/><BR/>Keep your sport. No white person or minority with any class or conscience would want anything to do with the likes of you.<BR/><BR/>Grant should get all the money she can and shut down the whole grimy enterprise....Brian France first.<BR/><BR/>Now...how does it feel to have negative things said about YOU?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-31936800561188547302008-08-11T13:09:00.000-04:002008-08-11T13:09:00.000-04:00Nothing filed until AFTER she was fired. Hmmm...Do...Nothing filed until AFTER she was fired. Hmmm...<BR/><BR/>Does she have a case? Maybe. That will be decided during the trial. But $225 Million worth of injury? Pahleese.<BR/><BR/>Let's recap. No complaint while employed, but $225 Million after.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-77152039085341208132008-08-11T13:04:00.000-04:002008-08-11T13:04:00.000-04:00Put on any popular hip-hop CD out today and you wi...Put on any popular hip-hop CD out today and you will hear the words "n***er", "ho", "b*tch", and m***f***er" more times listening to the CD than you probably will in a NASCAR garage in a year.<BR/><BR/>Still waiting for the $225 million suit against any of the record companies for their "culture" of racism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-16280304830488495332008-08-11T12:46:00.000-04:002008-08-11T12:46:00.000-04:00That's a great viewpoint David. I think you're ri...That's a great viewpoint David. I think you're right on.<BR/><BR/>GZAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-47975970168429193492008-08-11T12:06:00.000-04:002008-08-11T12:06:00.000-04:00Anonymous #17, likely because NASCAR is suffering ...Anonymous #17, likely because NASCAR is suffering from to much PC to have not hired Mo Grant.Monkeesfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14522953722006761283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-58973425723622207002008-08-11T10:57:00.000-04:002008-08-11T10:57:00.000-04:00Half the Nascar officials have DUI's. They ran int...Half the Nascar officials have DUI's. They ran into huge issues with the race in Canada, because dozens of officials had DUI's and hadn't bothered to clear it with the Canadian government. As a result they got stopped at the border.<BR/>Furthermore.. Going to HR in Nascar is signing your own death-warrant. There's been instances of "confidential" conference calls between HR and employees about issues where the (female) employee would complain about harrassment from their (male) boss and where HR 'forgot' to mention that the boss was conferenced in over the phone. Can you imagine how the employee felt after that? These kinds of stories did the rounds fast and everyone knew 'the black widow' (HR director) could not be trusted.<BR/>I know Mo Grant and she was a good employee, certainly not worse than most of those people in the garage. At least she can read and write for Chrissakes, unlike others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-26042039228663132242008-08-11T08:03:00.000-04:002008-08-11T08:03:00.000-04:00If her past is such a huge issue now, why wasn't i...If her past is such a huge issue now, why wasn't it when she was hired? Did they do a background check then and still hire her?<BR/><BR/>Makes NACSAR look DUMB!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-57096105121193800292008-08-11T07:39:00.000-04:002008-08-11T07:39:00.000-04:00The sad part of this story is that we will never k...The sad part of this story is that we will never know the whole truth. There is no way NA$CAR will ever let this go to court. It has far too much to lose if the verdict went against them. There will be a settlement and all the legal and moral issues will become moot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-41423459159268785342008-08-11T04:39:00.000-04:002008-08-11T04:39:00.000-04:00If she WAS unqualified then she should have been w...If she WAS unqualified then she should have been written up and then fired, that way there is a dated paper trail with her signature that can be shown in court.<BR/><BR/>NASCAR does have a problem with completely cracking down on things, race/gender wise and really needs to have a new one torn into them overall if only to bring them inline with the "major sport" they claim to be.<BR/><BR/>THAT SAID.. as to the term "N-rigging" in my experience it is a term that everyone in the my integrated shop experience back/white whatever.. uses, not in a derogatory way but as something that is done or the ingenuity of it if there is nothing else that can be done to get it to work, either in time or because the part is not availableAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-46109569111020778652008-08-10T22:37:00.000-04:002008-08-10T22:37:00.000-04:00So let me get this straight? Ms. Grant was so afra...So let me get this straight? Ms. Grant was so afraid to follow the proper procedure for reporting these things and then her next step is a huge lawsuit? Even if what she claims is true I think there was a lot more that she could have done to get everything resolved before she decided to make this a legal matter. I mean isn't this the type of thing the NAACP was made for? To support someone like Ms. Grant when she has to confront a big entity like NASCAR on discrimination? If the higher ups in NASCAR really didn't know about this at the time like they said, and didn't know that there was a problem with their policy then that's when the NAACP is supposed to come in and help and if that doesn't do any good then you can take it to court. It's just hard for me to side with Ms. Grant on this when she didn't exercise all of her other options before filing this lawsuit. And even if she had done that with no success, did she really face $250M worth of discrimination? Like David said in his blog, we've all been through crap at work but not all of us decide to make a lawsuit out of it. I wonder how much I could have gotten if I sued every time someone called me a derogatory name.<BR/><BR/>That said NASCAR failed too with their smearing of Grant. It's obvious that there are flaws with their procedure for reporting incidents like what Ms. Grant claims happened to her. NASCAR should have just said that while they think the lawsuit is bogus since Ms. Grant didn't at least attempt to follow proper procedure, that they would be glad to listen to her and every other minority on the payroll to determine what changes need to be made so this mess doesn't happen again. But when you do nothing but take the smear tactic route you lose most, it not all credibility you have in a case like this.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09432788590477379643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-60158374341632868832008-08-10T21:52:00.000-04:002008-08-10T21:52:00.000-04:00TFN.TFN.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-90209287284297483942008-08-10T20:46:00.000-04:002008-08-10T20:46:00.000-04:00Personally, I'm done reading anything David Poole ...Personally, I'm done reading anything David Poole writes. Give a fat, pompous, self-inflated liberal a platform and he'll spew swill from it just because he can. As for Marcia Grant... she was no more than a token in the first place. Of course her character (or lack thereof) is relevent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-70769953317331274682008-08-10T20:35:00.000-04:002008-08-10T20:35:00.000-04:00interesting approach by nascar officials -- why it...interesting approach by nascar officials -- why it would make you think they have lily white pasts themselves. drugs, DUI's, theft and even a rumored murder await the investigator who is working for Grant's attorneys. Why it makes one wonder if none of them (nascar louts) ever heard the old saw, 'those who live in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones'. Pandora's box is now open --- and I'll bet that from the very top down nascar will of wished they just wrote the check and shut up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com