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43 car field of IROC car go round and round. Or, lets give him a lap back, not that ist's NASCAR's fault he's a lap down, but he's a nice guy.<BR/><BR/>And the top 35 rule. We're stuck with it. So why not have a lottery system for those not in the top 35 each week. The 8 lucky winners get to go race and the rest can stay home and save money.<BR/><BR/>For me this year, save the yard work for Sunday. It's off to the real racing that is left in this country. Watch guys really quailify, drive like hell during the race and come come Sept. or Oct. see who really wins that Championship, with out the help of NASCAR welfare.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-78846861081679207272008-02-10T08:06:00.000-05:002008-02-10T08:06:00.000-05:00Back to basics means that is sold my Daytona 500 4...Back to basics means that is sold my Daytona 500 4 day tickets and will watch on TV. $1320.00 for 2 tickets for 4 days racing. $330.00 each for Petty Tower tickets, forget it. Motel rooms three times normal rates. Parking across the street from the track on Sunday$60.00 last year. Not to mention gas prices and a nine hour drive. I enjoy the party of being at the race, but not this year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-15319907222728550122008-02-08T12:59:00.000-05:002008-02-08T12:59:00.000-05:00NASACR treats tradition like it is a bad thingIs P...NASACR treats tradition like it is a bad thing<BR/>Is Poole a tradition or or the payroll of the france's so they can appear good and all the dumb southern rednecks can just appear backwards<BR/>Remember, Poole, the stands used to be full<BR/>almost as full as your belly<BR/>now the crowds would put even you on a diet<BR/>And by the way I work with NASCAR teams and they are as frustrated as us "dumb rednecks"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-8698466592143170312008-02-07T17:55:00.000-05:002008-02-07T17:55:00.000-05:00anonymous #163, you cut to the heart of what is wr...anonymous #163, you cut to the heart of what is wrong with Brian France - he's an LA-bred snob who doesn't understand racing, is all about pushing the brand instead of actually leading the sport, and clearly sees ordinary people as beneath him and wants to appeal to the "cool" crowd. <BR/><BR/>No one like that is qualified to lead any sport.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-27891997259766749122008-02-07T12:32:00.000-05:002008-02-07T12:32:00.000-05:00As a lifelong fan from Greenville SC, it seems NAS...As a lifelong fan from Greenville SC, it seems NASCAR has become "ashamed" of its core <BR/>"redneck" fans. Fine I haven't watched or went to a race in over 2years. <BR/>Y'all want the wine and cheese crowd? Enjoy them, see how faithful they are to the sport.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-3689611757507852912008-02-06T10:45:00.000-05:002008-02-06T10:45:00.000-05:00GET RID OF THE CHASE PERIOD!!!! IT IS BORING!!!!GET RID OF THE CHASE PERIOD!!!! IT IS BORING!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-52606920439802325722008-02-01T14:13:00.000-05:002008-02-01T14:13:00.000-05:00NUMBER 24 FANI SAY FOR GET THE CHASE . LET RACING ...NUMBER 24 FAN<BR/>I SAY FOR GET THE CHASE . LET RACING BE RACING . FORGET THE TOP 35 LET THEM RACE IN . COME ON PEOPLE YOU HAVE CHEATED JEFF GORDON OUT OF TWO OR MAYBE THREE RACES ALL READY . LET THEM RUN TO THE END WHO END UP WITH THE POINTS THEY WIN . FORGET THIS TOP 35 LET THEM ALL RACE THEIR WAY IN . THAT IS SOME OF THE WAY YOU CAN GET YOUR FANS BACK THIS HERE WHAT YOU HAVE ISN'T RACING . ITS BORING . WHO WANT TO WATCH A CAR JUST GO AROUND A TRACK . COME ON PEOPLE LETS RACE . LETS GO BOOGIE BOOGIE .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-31452847369231223662008-01-31T18:39:00.000-05:002008-01-31T18:39:00.000-05:00Run what you brung is not an option - it died out ...Run what you brung is not an option - it died out as an option when racing began. <BR/><BR/>BTW, since you mention Bud Selig - he should have been railroaded out of the commissioner's office years ago - no commissioner should be a direct participant in the game; he should be an objective overlord who puts the good of the game above marketing the brand or anything else. <BR/><BR/>Be gone yourself.Monkeesfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14522953722006761283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-16305613449201892042008-01-31T18:15:00.000-05:002008-01-31T18:15:00.000-05:00monkeesTURDfan - "Exactly how does this absolve To...monkeesTURDfan - <I>"Exactly how does this absolve Toyota? They don't belong in this sport. What can't you accept about that fact?"</I><BR/><BR/>Four words: "Run What You Brung!"<BR/><BR/>Be gone with you, I'm fresh out of troll food.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-67900982234337159112008-01-31T13:34:00.000-05:002008-01-31T13:34:00.000-05:00Anon - "AND finally, what other sport allows the "...Anon - <I>"AND finally, what other sport allows the "commisioner" of that sport to own a team? If NASCAR is going to be the governing body then ISC should not be."</I><BR/><BR/>Better check who owns the Milwaukee Brewers AND is the commissioner of baseball "Mr. Anon."<BR/><BR/>Your relation to reality is about as tenuous as that held by monkeesturdfan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-32917333895152792362008-01-31T12:00:00.000-05:002008-01-31T12:00:00.000-05:00Marc, "And so?" So this - Toyota buys its racing ...Marc, "And so?" So this - Toyota buys its racing success. Yes, the money guys like Roush buy their success as well - I've always opposed those team owners and feel NASCAR should make their policies with the goal of killing Roush et al's ability to buy their success - make them disband teams, make them work not to supply engines to other teams but to help those other teams <EM>be able to build their own engines.</EM> <BR/><BR/>"Never has any team stayed up top too long." Hendrick has won at least eight races in a season ten times from 1995 onward. <BR/><BR/>"Chevy has won 20 of the last 28 manufacturer titles." We know - speaking out against NASCAR's rules bias toward Chevrolet has been a perennial by the fanbase. <BR/><BR/>Exactly how does this absolve Toyota? They don't belong in this sport. What can't you accept about that fact?<BR/><BR/>"Nary a word of complaint from you." You don't read well, do you?<BR/><BR/>I don't lie to people, Marc, so don't lecture me about anything. Only a two-faced fraud like yourself calls someone else a two-faced fraud to dodge responsibility. <BR/><BR/>This is why you have no credibility, because you're not an honest analyst, just a Brian France hack.Monkeesfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14522953722006761283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-28096361076283078082008-01-31T09:59:00.000-05:002008-01-31T09:59:00.000-05:00Ok, I have read all the articles and heard lots on...Ok, I have read all the articles and heard lots on the radio but Humpy still says it best. I am tired of the top 35, race to get in. I do not like the new chase for the cup, what happened to consistency? <BR/><BR/>AND finally, what other sport allows the "commisioner" of that sport to own a team? If NASCAR is going to be the governing body then ISC should not be. It is conflict of interest for an organization to also govern the whole sport. If ISC wants to build a track, it gets a date. Kentucky is fighting to get one and has no success and what a nice place.<BR/><BR/>Like all other sports big money and such has ruined the playhouse. I will never be as interested in it as I once was and thank goodness for the Old School Racing tour. I have had enough of Brian France and his bunch of clowns.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-87495143677923734012008-01-31T05:29:00.000-05:002008-01-31T05:29:00.000-05:00If you like the IRL style of racing NASCAR will be...If you like the IRL style of racing NASCAR will be your RACE, myself I miss getting a garage pass @ Dover & Darlington back a few yrs ago, when 4 Chevys parked next to each other just didn't quite look the same, the Temp plates fit, but the createtive wonders of the builders were there for all the world to see. The tire wars Geoff Bodine was so quick & Goodyear built a real Racing Tire.<BR/>That was racing NASCAR STYLE, forever gone & I no longer travel from CT south to the races with my $1500/$2500 per weekend to watch it live, I don't even tape the races if I fall asleep anymore. The DP's that raced at the 24 hrs get some of my atention these days. I will miss NASCARAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-50273843170501725512008-01-31T00:28:00.000-05:002008-01-31T00:28:00.000-05:00monkeesfan - "Toyota has won 25 of the last 50 Tru...monkeesfan - <I>"Toyota has won 25 of the last 50 Truck races.<BR/><BR/>Do you want that kind of quasi-monopoly by Toyota for Winston Cup?</I><BR/><BR/>And so?<BR/><BR/>And Jack-in-the-Hat had five cars in the Chase and it was supposed to doom NASCAR to irrelevant status. Oops, what happened to that meme.<BR/><BR/>Now it's Hendrick... his time till pass also, so what. NEVER in recent history has anyone team stayed on top long.<BR/><BR/>But considering you brought up "domination"... Chevy has won 20 of the last 28 manufacturers championships.<BR/><BR/>Nary a word of complaint from you.<BR/><BR/>MeThinks your biggest problem is Toyota and nothing else.<BR/><BR/><I>"Marc, you didn't specify that in the post where you talked about "old template" cars - if you wanted to make that point about the 1966 Dodge you should have specified that. Don't lecture me about "eyes open," open your own eyes."</I><BR/><BR/>And that's a boldface lie and sadly in your diminished mental state you're probably not aware of it.<BR/><BR/>You won't get that lecture again, you will get this one:<BR/><BR/>You are a lying, two-faced crap weasel who peddles more sh*t that than a rodeo roustabout.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-48344633917962183652008-01-30T18:33:00.000-05:002008-01-30T18:33:00.000-05:00Toyota has won 25 of the last 50 Truck races. Do ...Toyota has won 25 of the last 50 Truck races. <BR/><BR/>Do you want that kind of quasi-monopoly by Toyota for Winston Cup?Monkeesfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14522953722006761283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-57983460089763612222008-01-30T18:04:00.000-05:002008-01-30T18:04:00.000-05:00Marc, you didn't specify that in the post where yo...Marc, you didn't specify that in the post where you talked about "old template" cars - if you wanted to make that point about the 1966 Dodge you should have specified that. Don't lecture me about "eyes open," open your own eyes.<BR/><BR/>"I never argued otherwise (about the older cars being more aerodynamically sound than the COT)." So what the hell are you doing supporting the COT, then?<BR/><BR/>The testing in aggregate <EM>was</EM> enough in that it told us where the COT's fundamental weakness lay - in a shoddy design. Contrary to your statement, they did test groups of cars at Atlanta and elsewhere before and during the season they started racing them - it was these tests that showed the car pushes worse in traffic than the older car. They were not underrepresented - having 20 cars in a test was not going to make them race better in dirty air.<BR/><BR/>Everyone has complained about the Talladega results because they, like all the other races with the COT and all the testing done on it, proved the car is worthless for racing. <BR/><BR/>You have this absurd notion that I regard everything as bad. I've spelled out before what positive changes need to be made to get the sport on the right track again - that's not an attitude that regards everything as bad, it is a statement that the sport is good but has gone in a bad direction. <BR/><BR/>No, Marc, I didn't shift positions about Toyota. For the umpteenth time they are successful when they can outspend the opposition and price them out of contention. They were outspent in F1. <BR/><BR/>My contention is GM, Ford, and Dodge were priced out of contention by Toyota - when Toyota came into the trucks the other brands couldn't match them spending for spending and instead cut back to what now amounts to token efforts. And if you think that isn't the case, then name for me the factory-backed GM, Ford, and Dodge teams, name for me how much factory effort they get, and compare it with Toyota. <BR/><BR/>The bottom line is Toyota would not be winning as much as it does in the Trucks if they didn't price out the other brands. That is their racing attitude and it is what they intend to bring to Winston Cup.<BR/><BR/>The reality is you're the one offbase about these things, Marc.Monkeesfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14522953722006761283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-40744843626608623052008-01-30T15:52:00.000-05:002008-01-30T15:52:00.000-05:00monkeesfan - "Marc, you didn't set any goalposts, ...monkeesfan - <I>"Marc, you didn't set any goalposts, you just moved them. You talked about the "old template" cars without specifying what era. If you wanted people to understand you were talking about the 1960s, you should have specified that."</I><BR/><BR/>And that wasn't done by noting the '66 Charger from the year before the template era started? Please... eyes open, please!<BR/><BR/>You continue to out do yourself.<BR/><BR/><I>"Moreover, you continue to miss the point, which is that the cars with the long nose/flush airdam/chopped roofline design were racier than the COT because they are sounder aerodynamically.</I><BR/><BR/>Well D'OH! I never argued otherwise.<BR/><BR/><I>"One can fairly judge the COT because nowhere in any testing for any of its races did the car fulfill any promise."</I><BR/><BR/>Ummm D'OH AGAIN. YOU chose to "fairly" judge them. Could it possibly be because all the testing in aggregate wasn't enough? It's fact almost none of the tests were conducted with enough cars to judge how they react when in packs.<BR/><BR/>ALL the tests done in 2006 were woefully under represented by the number of cars and that was partially due to NASCAR's piss-poor decisions and teams like Roush very slow to participate.<BR/><BR/>Everyone has complained about the Talladega results, too bad get over it, it was the FIRST time that many cars had been on the track at the same time and the FIRST time team and NASCAR engineers could evaluate ow the cars would react AND on a green green track that is fresh of resurfacing.<BR/><BR/>But you will never acknowledge that or any other positive thing about NASCAR. You never have and never will near as I can tell. EVERYTHING is bad in your mind.<BR/><BR/>If I'm wrong point me towards any writings of your that shows otherwise.<BR/><BR/><I>"The COT will negate the need for 20 different cars for 20 different tracks because it's a one size fits all package - One size NEVER fits all and different bodies are showing ten horsepower differences,</I><BR/><BR/>You tried to pull that unattributed quote before and couldn't find any buyers except yourself.<BR/><BR/><I>"Once again, since you're still in denial, the fact remains that Toyota outspends its opponents almost everywhere it races; that's how it has succeeded where it has raced. And you still haven't listed any good to come to NASCAR from Toyota involvement."</I><BR/><BR/>Related question: You quickly shifted positions from Toyota outspending everyone and destroying every racing category they are in... when you are definitively proven to be NUTS that the Toys suck buttermilk in F1 AND spend the most.... suddenly your position changes to....<BR/><BR/>Oh well yeah... but... but... but they are out spent by all the F1 Teams combined.<BR/><BR/>Is it your contention Ford, Dodge, and GM combined also out spend the Toy NCTS program?<BR/><BR/>And if so why are the Toys generally more competitive?<BR/><BR/>The reality is you were proven to be so far off base on the F1 program as to be delusional, ill informed and finally not smart enough to backoff.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-45552383507542881572008-01-30T11:43:00.000-05:002008-01-30T11:43:00.000-05:00Marc, you didn't set any goalposts, you just moved...Marc, you didn't set any goalposts, you just moved them. You talked about the "old template" cars without specifying what era. If you wanted people to understand you were talking about the 1960s, you should have specified that. Moreover, you continue to miss the point, which is that the cars with the long nose/flush airdam/chopped roofline design were racier than the COT because they are sounder aerodynamically. <BR/><BR/>One can fairly judge the COT because nowhere in any testing for any of its races did the car fulfill <EM>any</EM> promise. <BR/><BR/><EM>The COT will reduce the aeropush</EM> - it's worse now than before.<BR/><BR/><EM>The COT will negate the need for 20 different cars for 20 different tracks because it's a one size fits all package</EM> - One size NEVER fits all and different bodies are showing ten horsepower differences, meaning teams will build and build to find that ten extra HP and wind up back to "20 different cars for 20 different tracks" just like before.<BR/><BR/>You try to blame the testing program - nice try, but it's a bunk argument. The testing was fine; it was not the problem, the whole COT project was the problem. It never should have gotten this far, it should have been aborted before running a single race lap. <BR/><BR/>Once again, since you're still in denial, the fact remains that Toyota outspends its opponants almost everywhere it races; that's how it has succeeded where it has raced. And you still haven't listed any good to come to NASCAR from Toyota involvement.Monkeesfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14522953722006761283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-21528331660500161212008-01-30T03:20:00.000-05:002008-01-30T03:20:00.000-05:00Oh... and speaking of moving goalposts... "though ...Oh... and speaking of moving goalposts... <I>"though to be self-serving I should note your own figures show Toyota was grossly outspent by its combined foes."</I><BR/><BR/>Are you frickin' crazy! And that proves what? (other than a sad grasp at straws) You have consistently said here and in other threads Toyota has been and contiunes to outspend other teams. TEAMS as in individual not collectively.<BR/><BR/>Jeebus... you can't even perform a valid mea culpa without screwin' the pooch.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-30315263636882987002008-01-30T03:14:00.000-05:002008-01-30T03:14:00.000-05:00Monkeesfan - "Marc, I didn't flunk history, you ju...Monkeesfan - <I>"Marc, I didn't flunk history, you just moved the goalposts. I was talking about the car immediately preceding the COT. It was more aerodynamically sound, in that it made more downforce and was racier than the COT.</I><BR/><BR/>No nitwit I <I>set</I> the goalposts by being first out of the box first with the following: <I>""it took several years for the 'old template' cars...."</I><BR/><BR/>Just because you chose to rewrite history, or are clueless to it and ramble on endlessly doesn't mean I moved anything.<BR/><BR/>And BTW, anyone, including you, who thinks they can fairly judge the CoT after only 16 events and a piss-poor testing program corrupted by NASCAR and several teams you're all a few peanuts short of a Snickers Bar.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-21533719916794052932008-01-30T00:18:00.000-05:002008-01-30T00:18:00.000-05:00Marc, I didn't flunk history, you just moved the g...Marc, I didn't flunk history, you just moved the goalposts. I was talking about the car immediately preceding the COT. It was more aerodynamically sound, in that it made more downforce and was racier than the COT. <BR/><BR/>On the 1966 Charger, you leave out that the car was unstable until NASCAR mandated a spoiler for the car in July of that year. <BR/><BR/>Your F1 link doesn't disprove my argument, though I should note I misspoke earlier in that my post should have read that F1 is the area where Toyota couldn't outspend its opposition - though to be self-serving I should note your own figures show Toyota was grossly outspent by its combined foes. <BR/><BR/>This isn't the case in the Trucks and wasn't the case in Indycars, and there's no reason to believe it won't be the case in Winston Cup.Monkeesfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14522953722006761283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-51145708909616884432008-01-29T20:00:00.000-05:002008-01-29T20:00:00.000-05:00Oops, sorry... that should read the 1966 vrsion of...Oops, sorry... that should read the 1966 vrsion of the Dodge Charger.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-74081830954603832592008-01-29T19:58:00.000-05:002008-01-29T19:58:00.000-05:00monkeesfan - "Also, when you blithely claim "it to...monkeesfan - <I>"Also, when you blithely claim "it took several years for the 'old template' cars....to become driveable" you ignore they had a far better baseline in which to work"</I><BR/><BR/>Then you have failed NASCAR History 101. The first templates were used in 1967.<BR/><BR/>You calim before that they were better aerodynamiclly?<BR/><BR/>OK, then why did <A HREF="http://www.allpar.com/racing/dodge-nascar2.html" REL="nofollow">David Pearson</A> call the '55 version of the Charger "like dancing with a "fat lady on skates" when speeds reached upwards of 190 miles an hour."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-76736710223806829992008-01-29T19:44:00.000-05:002008-01-29T19:44:00.000-05:00monkeesfan - "BTW Marc, your own link on F1 budget...monkeesfan - <I>"BTW Marc, your own link on F1 budgets doesn't disprove my point despite what you think. Toyota couldn't outspend its opposition in F1; it can and has everywhere else, including the Trucks."</I><BR/><BR/>It couldn't? Why because you say so It hasn't outspend it's rivals in F1, by whose authority? Yours?<BR/><BR/>Sorry!!! That crap ain't gonna fly. <BR/><BR/>Then what does this list mean?<BR/><BR/>Toyota $418.5 million, Ferrari $406.5m, McLaren $402m, Honda $380.5m, BMW Sauber $355m, Renault $324m, Red Bull $252m, Williams $195.5m, Midland F1/Spyker-MF1 $120m, Toro Rosso $75m, and Super Aguri $57 million.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com