tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post213693220124821284..comments2024-01-11T19:29:38.859-05:00Comments on Life in the Turn Lane: There's no gray matter in cheatingUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-2742303690094295252007-07-06T11:46:00.000-04:002007-07-06T11:46:00.000-04:00anonymous #34, that shows how unqualified Brian Fr...anonymous #34, that shows how unqualified Brian France really is - he's making it up as he goes instead of proceeding with some kind of coherent plan. It's in keeping with the fact he was raised in LA instead of in the South - he has <EM>no clue</EM> about racing. This adds to the point anonymous #33 makes - no one respects him, and well they shouldn't, because the premises he's brought to how to run the sport - the supposed need for "diversity," for a playoff format, for a Car Of Tomorrow, for a spec-engine package (that's apparantly in the pipeline now) - are all ridiculous.Monkeesfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14522953722006761283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-61521898815104354932007-07-05T22:35:00.000-04:002007-07-05T22:35:00.000-04:00Crew chiefs suspensions did not prohibit them from...Crew chiefs suspensions did not prohibit them from going to the races. Once the media ran with the story about Tony Eury Jr. being at the track, Brian France felt like he was outsmarted (it takes very little to outsmart Brian France) and decided to change the rules about crew chiefs being at the track. You see Brian, you need to specify rules and consequences ahead of time instead of making it a moving target. That is common sense in running a business. I wish Mike Helton could take control.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-67377644280045605322007-07-05T22:31:00.000-04:002007-07-05T22:31:00.000-04:00Nascar has lost control. The problem is that nobo...Nascar has lost control. The problem is that nobody respects Brian France. He has very little integrity and is trying to rule like a dictatorship. It only works if you have respect! Go have another drink Brian and do not forget to use your influence to get out of hit and run, alcohol related accidents!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-6843392631406708982007-07-03T21:18:00.000-04:002007-07-03T21:18:00.000-04:00jeff said... Did the cars fit the the templates...jeff said...<BR/><BR/> Did the cars fit the the templates? Yes they did. Maybe NASCAR needs to get the gray matter out of their collective brain and we won't have body issues. Just because "they didn't like it" leads me to believe they don't like being showed up. It's the 21st century, time to get rid of their out-dated inspection process.<BR/><BR/> 6/26/2007 10:04 PM <BR/>Question? Did you read the post? Here let me help you.<BR/><BR/>The car body must be acceptable to NASCAR officials and meet the following minimum requirements:<BR/><BR/> * Streamlining of the contours of the car, beyond that approved by the Series Director, will not be permitted.<BR/> * If, in the judgment of NASCAR Officials, any part or component of the car not previously approved by NASCAR that has been installed or modified to enhance aerodynamic performance, will not be permitted. All cars must remain standard in appearance.<BR/> * Fenders may not be cut or altered except for wheel or tire clearance, which must be approved by the Series Director.<BR/><BR/>OK, where’s the "gray" there?<BR/><BR/>They knew exactly what they were doing. They did it at Phoenix but didn't get caught. Let me say this, I am not a Hendrick fan, I'm not a hater either. But for Jeff Gordon and Jimmy Johnson to stand in front of the camera and tell me their teams didn't think they were cheating is a gross insult to my intelligence! Come on guys! We are smarter than that!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-34242694621063708842007-07-02T15:15:00.000-04:002007-07-02T15:15:00.000-04:00One way of slowing down the cheating would be to l...One way of slowing down the cheating would be to let Nascar put 43 cars on the track on raceday and let the teams stick their numbers on em and let em race.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-27677484029226869772007-07-01T10:16:00.000-04:002007-07-01T10:16:00.000-04:00Vickers car did not fit the templates and the Hend...Vickers car did not fit the templates and the Hendrick cars did. The Hendrick cars receive a more severe penalty. This was done so NASCAR could flex its muscles and say "look what we did to the number 1 team!"<BR/><BR/>Basically they all cheated and deserve the same penalty.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-6198359966924588782007-07-01T10:14:00.000-04:002007-07-01T10:14:00.000-04:00I am very confused on why NASCAR is going not goin...I am very confused on why NASCAR is going not going to further penalize Vicker's team. I guess there is zero tolerance only when NASCAR says there is zero tolerance. Apparently the Red Bull car fits into a lighter shade of gray area.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-19148184317724021192007-06-30T14:22:00.000-04:002007-06-30T14:22:00.000-04:00Vickers car is too low and does not pass inspectio...Vickers car is too low and does not pass inspection. The standard penalty is 100 points, 6 race suspension for the crew chief and the qualification disallowed. <BR/><BR/>Why did NASCAR decide not to be consistent and penalize this team the same? <BR/><BR/>Brian France, we need integrity and consistency with the rules. This is becoming a circus. <BR/><BR/>Of course, I am requesting this from a guy that dodged a DUI in Daytona during the off season and left the scene of an alcohol related accident!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-73023382430404114602007-06-30T13:48:00.000-04:002007-06-30T13:48:00.000-04:00Where is the gray area? "...If, in the judgment o...Where is the gray area? "...If, in the judgment of NASCAR Officials ..." <BR/>NASCAR officials judgement has come under fire for inconsistencies in many areas (yellow flags) in the past. If NASCAR wants to have identical bodies with no aero advantages, get rid of the teams, build the cars themselves and cover the costs with sponsorship money. Drivers get assigned random cars, and they get paid through purse money.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-16246285163122990112007-06-29T20:51:00.000-04:002007-06-29T20:51:00.000-04:00Vicker team cheated today and since they are not i...Vicker team cheated today and since they are not in the top 35, they are going home! Cheater list now includes:<BR/><BR/>Waltrip<BR/>Kenseth<BR/>Riggs<BR/>Earnhardt Jr.<BR/>Gordon<BR/>Johnson<BR/>Vickers<BR/>Kahne<BR/>Biffle (NASCAR gave him a break for some reason...you know, that consistency thing)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-52720288920065507962007-06-29T12:09:00.000-04:002007-06-29T12:09:00.000-04:00# 55 must have been ok at daytona if 24&48&8 were ...# 55 must have been ok at daytona if 24&48&8 were ok, not cheating guess jet fuel was just a mistake to. nascar needs to say lets modfiy anything and lets race let everone do anything they wont to all u chevy fans would start crying like they did in 60 ford dodge toyota blow off there doors. only reason chevy back in racing they bought france family rules for them cry babies= chevy& rouseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-44737938037494205592007-06-29T10:53:00.000-04:002007-06-29T10:53:00.000-04:00Clarity, please. Gray matter means brains, intelli...Clarity, please. <BR/>Gray matter means brains, intelligence. <BR/>I think David Poole means gray areas, or gray issues, meaning neither black nor white; not addressed directly by the regulations.tarhoosierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10203562404036647187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-69422963428205400092007-06-28T17:27:00.000-04:002007-06-28T17:27:00.000-04:00anonymous #22 makes a good point about Hendrick's ...anonymous #22 makes a good point about Hendrick's business practices and how they apply to his racing. He does, though, miss a pertinent point about Hendrick's business practices - in his car dealership deals with American Honda he bankrupted numerous smaller dealers and poached their shops. This mentality of bankrupting all opposition has also driven his racing - he began the multicar team in 1986 and maintained it out of this mindset and got a huge hand from NASCAR when limits on testing played into his team's hands.Monkeesfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14522953722006761283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-25127491555531245362007-06-28T12:20:00.000-04:002007-06-28T12:20:00.000-04:00Hendrick dominates because Rick Hendrick has a his...Hendrick dominates because Rick Hendrick has a history of and predisposition toward not playing by the rules.<BR/><BR/>He didn't play by the rules in his auto sales deals and was convicted of mail fraud for it. A presidential pardon doesn't change the fact that he did it.<BR/><BR/>He doesn't play by the rules in NASCAR, either. Go look at Chad Knaus' rap sheet at the bottom of the article on That's Racin'.<BR/><BR/>As long as Rick Hendrick thinks the rules don't apply to him, his teams will be successful. Take Rick's cheating mindset out of the equation and I'll wager you don't see nearly as many wins or top ten finishes from the HMS cars.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-46412239546369590972007-06-28T08:01:00.000-04:002007-06-28T08:01:00.000-04:00Maybe all of you should read Q&A with John Darby a...Maybe all of you should read Q&A with John Darby as he said they did not pass the templates.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-91291831877932804802007-06-27T22:23:00.000-04:002007-06-27T22:23:00.000-04:00Don't think I could have said it better. Thanks f...Don't think I could have said it better. Thanks for saying it for me. <BR/><BR/>The Commish said...<BR/><BR/> Reverend Poole sendeth condemnation unto the adventurous, but lo, what if the fenders had been flared on a go-or-go-homer's car? Or on Kasey Kahne's car? Playing in those gray areas is often the only way a team in the back can keep up with the megaliths like HMS and RCR. Now NASCAR is saying, the only place you can fix the car is underneath, so go spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on setup plates and seven-post rigs and shock development and computer simulation--the kinds of innovation only the wealthy teams can afford. By taking Bondo out of the equation on the COT, NASCAR is inadvertently hurting the teams it thinks it is protecting.<BR/><BR/> And BTW, thanks for quoting the rule book. If you do that often enough, maybe we fans can cut and paste together one for ourselves, since NASCAR won't let us see it otherwise. But there's no penalty for hiding the rules from the fans, is there?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-82585310898755387662007-06-27T22:19:00.000-04:002007-06-27T22:19:00.000-04:00Steve Letarte's parents should be worried about th...Steve Letarte's parents should be worried about the company their son is keeping. Little Stevie hanging out with perennial cheater Chad Knaus can only lead to more unacceptable behaviour. Maybe Hendrick should seperate the two by sending the 24 team to hang out in the 25 and 5 shop. Then he'll be out of the cheating loop too. Chad Knaus is like the bratty little kid that thinks everybody else's rules don't apply to him.<BR/><BR/>Chad now has six weeks to sit around his office and dream up new ways to cheat during the Chase. Sitting him down for the duration would have solved that problem and really sent a message.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-9622824147035020972007-06-27T21:26:00.000-04:002007-06-27T21:26:00.000-04:00It's really sad we will never see another Smokey Y...It's really sad we will never see another Smokey Yunick in NASCAR. Creative thinking and building a better mousetrap were what built this country. And I thought communism was dead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-53747879102558989272007-06-27T18:35:00.000-04:002007-06-27T18:35:00.000-04:00I couldn't agree more, and to those who say if you...I couldn't agree more, and to those who say if you aren't cheating you aren't trying must not be raising children. My concern is this - why does Chad Knaus continue to get away with cheating and the penalties don't seem to be more severe for a repeat offender. ThanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-39819239920098709762007-06-27T17:58:00.000-04:002007-06-27T17:58:00.000-04:00Here we go again ..round and round the circle...na...Here we go again ..round and round the circle...nascar penalizes someone severely to get everyone's attention ..it goes quiet for a few weeks and then it's repeated.. and it will happen again in a few weeks..the only way to stop it is to tell them to load it up and see you next week with a legal car..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-6282694843632641262007-06-27T15:33:00.000-04:002007-06-27T15:33:00.000-04:00Wow! David Poole finally put down that stack of pi...Wow! David Poole finally put down that stack of pizzas a wrote something worth while. I am amazed. Just give your address David I will send you 45 turkeys for your typical breakfast meal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-85905234389078867872007-06-27T12:47:00.000-04:002007-06-27T12:47:00.000-04:00dan from lebanon, you had me for a few seconds the...dan from lebanon, you had me for a few seconds there - I was going to rip your posting until I read the punchline. Very clever.<BR/><BR/>The commish partly hits on the upshot here, but there's more - the biggest teams are going to aero-rake these cars and little by little are going to beat the "Claw" supertemplate - they're too far ahead of NASCAR in the technology race not to win out in this battle. <BR/><BR/>If NASCAR really wants to improve the racing, they have simple bolt-on aero-drag pieces that will do the trick - the COT was never needed in that regard. As far as punishing cheating goes, the only deterrent is multirace disqualification.Monkeesfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14522953722006761283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-37468089492309768092007-06-27T11:26:00.000-04:002007-06-27T11:26:00.000-04:00Arggghhh. Excuses, whining and complaining. NASC...Arggghhh. Excuses, whining and complaining. NASCAR fans have become the biggest bunch of suckups I know. So many think their driver is Jesus's little brother and can't, won't and didn't do anything wrong. If teams cheat, send their A$$ home. Knaus should be out for a year. He has BLATANLY tried to cheat, like the extra part at Daytona last year. <BR/>Too many years of stories from Harry Hyde and Junior Johnson has created the mentality of "wink and nod" over cheating. Time for NASCAR to grow up and be a BIG BOY Sport and clean it up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-14005424477600762102007-06-27T10:10:00.000-04:002007-06-27T10:10:00.000-04:00First: It's awesome to see the penalty compared d...First: It's awesome to see the penalty compared directly to the much referenced, but little seen rulebook of NASCAR. Thank you David.<BR/><BR/>In the context of the matter, with the fenders flared outside the tolerances you mentioned this morning, then obviously, they were hoping they'd get by with this gray area tinkering, but the text does say no aero adjustments.<BR/><BR/>I don't buy the premise of a test fender being put on accidentally. These guys, being the seasoned professionals, knew what they were doing.<BR/><BR/>As far as the penalty goes, it is consistent. It's these teams first COT penalty, and hence, treated the same as Jr.'s fiasco. Excessive? That's why I don't think it was escalated.. this time. It seems excessive, but the message is being delivered unto the minions of the sport. Is it not?<BR/><BR/>Race on boys!Bruce E Simmonshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07346688016868831820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-9873818143559574272007-06-27T09:00:00.000-04:002007-06-27T09:00:00.000-04:00The moment each race hauler pulls into the track a...The moment each race hauler pulls into the track and is assigned their parking and pit stall, the team is "on the playing field". The pre-race inspection is part of the game. The teams tried to cheat and got caught, it is that simple.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com