tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post116169575960779116..comments2024-01-11T19:29:38.859-05:00Comments on Life in the Turn Lane: Come on already, the 'car of tomorrow' isn't a PintoUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-1162660425339060192006-11-04T12:13:00.000-05:002006-11-04T12:13:00.000-05:00rax262, teams will never run a Talladega car at Br...rax262, teams will never run a Talladega car at Bristol unless NASCAR makes them. The COT won't change any of that.Monkeesfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14522953722006761283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-1161836648513415002006-10-26T00:24:00.000-04:002006-10-26T00:24:00.000-04:00Gvav1, LOLActually the references to Pinto have so...Gvav1, LOL<BR/><BR/>Actually the references to Pinto have some historical relevence to this controversy - remember the Pinto revolution on the NASCAR Modified Tour.Monkeesfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14522953722006761283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-1161832657380851622006-10-25T23:17:00.000-04:002006-10-25T23:17:00.000-04:00David, I think you are right on with your assessme...David, I think you are right on with your assessment. COT will likely change the rules but the game will remain the same. What I am curious to see is if this new vehicle will bridge the gap that has forced teams to maintain stables of specialized cars. Can a car suitable for Talladega truly be competitive at Bristol or Sonoma? We will have to wait and see.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-1161808804537564732006-10-25T16:40:00.000-04:002006-10-25T16:40:00.000-04:00I drove a Pinto, I knew Pinto! You're no Jack Kenn...I drove a Pinto, I knew Pinto! You're no Jack Kennedy! ha...TalkGeorgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03662515147728398699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-1161802044083067422006-10-25T14:47:00.000-04:002006-10-25T14:47:00.000-04:00clemson1, you raise good points all around, especi...clemson1, you raise good points all around, especially on R&D on the COT defeating the whole "cost savings" argument. <BR/><BR/>One area of R&D I wish to add here - NASCAR believes the use of interchangable wings instead of fixed spoilers will allow teams to use the same car on different types of tracks, but with the way the bodies are going to be altered - supposedly at least some teams already have "cheater" model COTs built to beat NASCAR's new inspection rules - that fantasy will disappear rather quickly.Monkeesfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14522953722006761283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-1161780988711060962006-10-25T08:56:00.000-04:002006-10-25T08:56:00.000-04:00May I ask why NASCAR always insists that their lif...May I ask why NASCAR always insists that their life-changing adjustments always be done at the CUP level? Why wasn't the Chase, the new spoiler height, and the Car of Tomorrow tried in the BUSCH series first?<BR/><BR/>Look at NASCAR with the Chase now. People employed by NASCAR are trying to run it down our throats how much more exciting it is, meanwhile they're looking at all kinds of ways to "tweak" it!<BR/><BR/>Imagine the COT in the Chase races. What a friggin' mess that's going to be. Maybe I'll start watching Busch races, at least there the rules aren't changing every friggin' week!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-1161755587077818862006-10-25T01:53:00.000-04:002006-10-25T01:53:00.000-04:00okla21fan,They ALREADY have 2 series like that...F...okla21fan,<BR/>They ALREADY have 2 series like that...F1 (worldwide) and the Legends cars Summer Shootout series @ Lowes Motorspeedway...and or I can watch the go carts at the NASCAR speedpark @ Concord Mills, or if I'm really really bored...I'll set a chair up on an overpass on I-40 and watch rush hour traffic, 'Bout the same affectAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-1161752382679057692006-10-25T00:59:00.000-04:002006-10-25T00:59:00.000-04:00Actually, I get the idea that NASCAR is loving all...Actually, I get the idea that NASCAR is loving all of the negative comments. They may think that it will help boost interest, and ratings, for next year.<BR/><BR/>I think that, just like every year since NASCAR started, someone will get it figured out, and several others will complain, and even fire off allegations of cheating! The wheels keep on turning!Snafamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10025789770244212992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-1161749300175981272006-10-25T00:08:00.000-04:002006-10-25T00:08:00.000-04:00okla21fan, some Hendrick quotes after the Michiga...okla21fan, some Hendrick quotes <A HREF="http://monkeesfan.blogspot.com/2006/08/michigan-cot-test-failure.html" REL="nofollow">after the Michigan COT test.</A><BR/><BR/>On Yates, my guess is they delayed building a COT prototype because the organization has been in chaos almost all year.Monkeesfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14522953722006761283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-1161748705841158122006-10-24T23:58:00.000-04:002006-10-24T23:58:00.000-04:00David, the COT tests have failed in that the car h...David, the COT tests have failed in that the car has <A HREF="http://monkeesfan.blogspot.com/2006/10/car-of-tomorrow-revolt-now-out-in-open.html" REL="nofollow"> consistently proven three things - inability to pass, greater aero-push in dirty air, and generally poor drivability.</A> Not one driver has said the car runs well or can pass. The COT <EM>cannot</EM> make the sport more about one driver being better than another, because the fundamentally unsound design is worse than what the sport presently has. "They will adapt." They'll adapt, but the fundamental unsoundness of the design means they won't be able to overcome the weaknesses inherent in the design. Which means, far from making the cars less dependent on aero, NASCAR is making them more so. <BR/><BR/>The other problem is what I call the NASA approach - take a simple solution and complicate it beyond all reason, the raison d'etre of NASA and why that body is in need of disbanding. NASCAR's goal is to take aero out of the equation, but before you do that, ask what "aero" is doing to the racing. The cars do not run well in dirty air - well then, what to do about dirty air? Cutting downforce is not the answer - the sport has repeatedly proven that with its numerous variations of the 5&5 rule. So why not attack what dirty air is actually doing to trailing cars? i.e. why not make the draft work better? After all, the draft used to be an important factor even at places like Charlotte, never mind bigger tracks like Pocono.<BR/><BR/>The COT doesn't do any of this (especially when it runs a wing instead of a spoiler), but NASCAR runs an aero package on its Busch cars at the plate tracks that eliminates impediment to passing because it makes the draft kick in, and it is a simple bolt-on addition. Why this is not tried on the Cup cars on non-plate tracks I have never been able to figure out. It's a simple solution that can actually work as opposed to the car-by-committee project of Gary Nelson and company.Monkeesfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14522953722006761283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-1161742001516695212006-10-24T22:06:00.000-04:002006-10-24T22:06:00.000-04:00David, Once again I think you and I are on the sam...David, <BR/>Once again I think you and I are on the same page. 'Iroc' racing is not a taboo or a bad thing. If the COT in the next few years is a step in the right direction to put the 'driver back in the car', then this can only be a good thing. It may not change overnight or in one complete season but like we saw after the 'aero wars' in the late 80s, the racing was better and not just which car make 'driver X' was driving.<BR/><BR/>Give me a common template, and even a common motor and let the driver, engineers, and crewchiefs find the fastest way around these tracks. if that is not "racing", what is?okla21fanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13510135260252333633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-1161741473321706662006-10-24T21:57:00.000-04:002006-10-24T21:57:00.000-04:00Monkeesfan I based alot of this on RYR and more sp...Monkeesfan <BR/><BR/>I based alot of this on RYR and more specificly, Roberts comments about the COT this past season, when it was just not until recently that RYR built a car. Robert has pushed back from this concept for the past year. Which is ironic for a team that has struggled with chassis setup and handling since '04. I would think they would imbrace a level playing field, but i could be wrong though.okla21fanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13510135260252333633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-1161738137716911522006-10-24T21:02:00.000-04:002006-10-24T21:02:00.000-04:00Monkeesfan -- The COT tests have "failed?" How so?...Monkeesfan -- The COT tests have "failed?" How so? My guess is that a driver who doesn't think his car is superior to the others thinks his car stinks. Tell a team you're testing and they're all about gathering data. Tell them you're racing and they start trying to beat people. If the COT makes this sport more about one driver being better than another, isn't that a big gain? It's always going to be about dollars to some degree, and early on I think the teams with the most dollars will adapt the fastest. But they will adapt. They have to. And that's what racers do.David Poolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16165043399748036425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-1161728264478915742006-10-24T18:17:00.000-04:002006-10-24T18:17:00.000-04:00thurman1515,NFL ratings aren't down. NASCAR ratin...thurman1515,<BR/><BR/>NFL ratings aren't down. NASCAR ratings are down because the sport has overmarketed itself, has not fielded a competitive product, and in the process has alientated too many fans, and it's coming back to haunt the sport.Monkeesfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14522953722006761283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-1161728151161482072006-10-24T18:15:00.000-04:002006-10-24T18:15:00.000-04:00okla21fan,Some of the most negative comments have ...okla21fan,<BR/><BR/>Some of the most negative comments have come from the Hendrick drivers, who have built several COTs and tested them.<BR/><BR/>David Poole,<BR/><BR/>NASCAR may talk tough about not backing down, but the fact that the Car Of Tomorrow has been a decisive failure in testing shows that they know they do not have a workable concept here. They may talk about "the COT will run 16 races in 2007" but the failure of the COT in testing is something even the most pigheaded supporter of the concept cannot ignore. It will be a shock if the COT ever runs a competitive lap. <BR/><BR/>Jeff Burton is putting an optimistic spin on a situation where the sanctioning body has no clue what it is doing.Monkeesfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14522953722006761283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-1161724087781634962006-10-24T17:08:00.000-04:002006-10-24T17:08:00.000-04:00The car of today is a sleek, good looking race car...The car of today is a sleek, good looking race car. The COT is a wart on a witches nose. Besides that, they could have just made the cars bigger, reshaped the nose, made mandatory grill openings, and slowed the cars down that way, without this whole mess. It was an easy fix, and this is what the bureaucracy of NASCAR has (over)done with it. It is the new Coke of this sport. treat it the same way Coke did. Scrap it and never speak of it again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-1161712916633513292006-10-24T14:01:00.000-04:002006-10-24T14:01:00.000-04:00It is SAD that our sport is no longer STOCK or Nat...It is SAD that our sport is no longer STOCK or National, Todays cars are merely a glorified "Legends Car" or IROC car! With the "Big 3" hemmoraging money I don't expect them to be backing this Circus much longer! And the COT...is an indy car with a body on it! Everyone say "You can't put all the saftey features of todays Cup cars in a stock configuration"...I ask WHY NOT? are we re-inveting the wheel?...building a better mouse trap?...it seem to work for the first 40 years, but for the last 16 years NASCAR has looked like a monkey F@#&%$g a football!...and their brainwizards wonder WHY rating are down!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-1161700499654537332006-10-24T10:34:00.001-04:002006-10-24T10:34:00.001-04:00Am i wrong in thinking that the most vocal owners ...Am i wrong in thinking that the most vocal owners with negative comments of the COT seem to be coming from owners who have not built many (if any) cars and tested?okla21fanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13510135260252333633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-1161700442465583942006-10-24T10:34:00.000-04:002006-10-24T10:34:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.okla21fanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13510135260252333633noreply@blogger.com