tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post7588093485559392085..comments2024-01-11T19:29:38.859-05:00Comments on Life in the Turn Lane: Media Tour observationsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger88125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-78402328833838140992008-01-30T18:09:00.000-05:002008-01-30T18:09:00.000-05:00BTW, you say you won't consider the question of wh...BTW, you say you won't consider the question of what good Toyota can possibly bring to NASCAR -<BR/><BR/>Here's your answer - <EM>they cannot bring any good to the sport.</EM> The best that can come is they take up starting spots; the more likely scenario is they start pricing the competition out of contention.Monkeesfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14522953722006761283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-1536342432631071712008-01-30T18:07:00.000-05:002008-01-30T18:07:00.000-05:00Marc, I'm not the one clueless about Toyota's F1 b...Marc, I'm not the one clueless about Toyota's F1 budget; you're clueless about their NASCAR budgets and their racing philosophy of pricing out their competition. <BR/><BR/>NASCAR manipulates the ratings numbers the same way they manipulate attendence figures for "big market" tracks like Fontana - by lying.Monkeesfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14522953722006761283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-19454838093736878452008-01-29T19:29:00.000-05:002008-01-29T19:29:00.000-05:00monkeesfan - "Stop asking for links and start usin...monkeesfan - <I>"Stop asking for links and start using what's left of your head for a change. And tell me waht good is coming from Toyota involvement in the sport.</I><BR/><BR/>Here's the deal: You tell me first why you so clueless on the subject of Toyota's F1 budget and I'll consider your question.<BR/><BR/>'Til then you can push a long chain up a tall mountain.<BR/><BR/>P.S. BTW you also have to explain how NASCAR is manipulating the numbers from a private ratings service also.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-9388640652244220342008-01-29T17:31:00.000-05:002008-01-29T17:31:00.000-05:00Marc, it's NASCAR who's manipulating the numbers. ...Marc, it's NASCAR who's manipulating the numbers. Try to read things better for a change.<BR/><BR/>The reality is I have my mind and you don't have control of yours. All you've done is rumpswab for the COT and for Brian France and his polices and go after those with the temerity to actually criticize what's wrong with the sport. <BR/><BR/>Stop asking for links and start using what's left of your head for a change. And tell me waht good is coming from Toyota involvement in the sport.Monkeesfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14522953722006761283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-15375785340757851652008-01-28T19:26:00.000-05:002008-01-28T19:26:00.000-05:00Simianfan - "Marc, "Since when has Neilsen's ratin...Simianfan - <I>"Marc, "Since when has Neilsen's ratings operation been under NASCAR's control?" When NASCAR manipulates them to falsify the popularity of its racing,</I><BR/><BR/>How do they do that? How do they exert so much pressure on a private and completely separate business concern to "phony-up" the NASCAR ratings?<BR/><BR/>What advantage to Neilson is there is doing so?<BR/><BR/>Are they holding a member of the Nielson President's family hostage?<BR/><BR/>Sending threatening memos that say they will expose his ahd Nielson of doing something evil and destruction to American society?<BR/><BR/>Are they buzzing the president's house with Black Helicopters borrowed from your private fleet?<BR/><BR/>The reality is, your out of your frickin' mind. You have a complete inability to admit anything can possibly be true and factual unless it originates from your own skull.<BR/><BR/>If someone posted a link that proved positively, without a single doubt, with pictures and witness certified testimony that your most cherished deity had been resurrected you would spin it away faster than a Tasmanian Devil finishes dinner. ('cause you don't "play that [link] game.")<BR/><BR/>P.S. And you haven't clue #1 when it comes to facts regarding Toyota's Formula One budget.<BR/><BR/>Oh... how shocking is that! (in a Capt Renault way of course)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-63627350138181885952008-01-28T17:43:00.000-05:002008-01-28T17:43:00.000-05:00Marc, "Since when has Neilsen's ratings operation ...Marc, "Since when has Neilsen's ratings operation been under NASCAR's control?" When NASCAR manipulates them to falsify the popularity of its racing, "Nitwit." If the Trucks were as popular as you claim, they would not be exclusively broadcast on one network; they'd be branched out to several.<BR/><BR/>BTW, you still have not cited any good Toyota's involvement has done for NASCAR.Monkeesfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14522953722006761283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-57064718240595608622008-01-28T16:22:00.000-05:002008-01-28T16:22:00.000-05:00"Marc, that's the NASCAR propaganda machine your p...<I>"Marc, that's the NASCAR propaganda machine your peddling."</I><BR/><BR/>Since when has Nielson ratings operation been under NASCAR's control so they can use it as a propaganda arm?<BR/><BR/>NitwitAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-87151253009100374832008-01-28T16:01:00.000-05:002008-01-28T16:01:00.000-05:00Marc, that's the NASCAR propaganda machine your pe...Marc, that's the NASCAR propaganda machine your peddling. The ratings are oversold and the competition has decreased, with fewer competitive teams since Toyota hit the series. I've gone to Truck races and the audience is nowhere close to bigger nor is media interest greater. The fact the Trucks are exclusively on <EM>SPEED</EM> instead of branched out to other networks shows it has devolved into a niche market.Monkeesfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14522953722006761283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-76491230978746236962008-01-28T01:59:00.000-05:002008-01-28T01:59:00.000-05:00monkeesfan - "they've helped bankrupt the Truck Se...monkeesfan - <I>"they've helped bankrupt the Truck Series"</I><BR/><BR/><BR/>Buwahahaha! It only gets worse with you doesn't it.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://lwww.nascar.com/2007/news/headlines/truck/02/27/speed.truck.california/index.html" REL="nofollow">February 27, 2007</A>: <I>"The NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series race from Fontana saw a 96 percent ratings increase (.53 vs. .27) in Men 18-34, according to Nielsen Media Research, as SPEED continues to experience rapid growth with younger audiences.</I><BR/><BR/>Despite your lunacy, tV ratings means big bucks and you'll see a rise in the new TV contract for the NCTS when it's signed.<BR/><BR/>The NCTS remains as the the #3 rated motorsports series on cable television (trailing only the Sprint Series and the Nationwide Series)<BR/><BR/>Viewership has increased each year:<BR/><BR/>Average Total Viewers of live events since NCTS came to SPEED in 2003 (Source: Nielsen Media Research):<BR/><BR/>2003 – 483,000<BR/>2004 – 581,000<BR/>2005 – 672,000<BR/>2006 – 659,000<BR/>2007 – 686,000<BR/><BR/>Big bucks, big-big bucks no matter how you wanna look at it. (except in your case who won't look at all)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-24150021278464812412008-01-27T22:54:00.000-05:002008-01-27T22:54:00.000-05:00Marc, it's simply a statement about your own obtus...Marc, it's simply a statement about your own obtuseness and foolishness. <BR/><BR/>"I've had enough of JPASCAR." Marc, you need more than that to find xenophobia. <BR/><BR/>There is nothing misguided in the hatred of Toyota. They helped bankrupt Indycar racing, they've helped bankrupt the Truck Series, and they want to do the same to Winston Cup. It's how they race. Attacking Toyota is what race fans <EM>should</EM> do. <BR/><BR/>I ask again - give me some kind of reason why Toyota involvement is good for the sport, concurrently give me what the sport would miss if Toyota was not involved.Monkeesfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14522953722006761283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-15053122340561400582008-01-27T15:13:00.000-05:002008-01-27T15:13:00.000-05:00simianfan - "Marc, don't lecture me about deleting...simianfan - <I>"Marc, don't lecture me about deleting comments before you look in the mirror and be honest about yourself."</I><BR/><BR/>Is that an accusation of some kind? If so spell it out, don't hide behind your usual obtuse nature.<BR/><BR/><I>"As for those comments in that posting you linked - so what? Where's the xenophobia? Those people say they don't want Toyota in the sport. And Bill Bagwell's site wasn't relevent to anything."</I><BR/><BR/>Where? How about a title of one links that defines the word: "I've had enough of JAPSCAR."<BR/><BR/>Tell you what, try a little experiment, go to any respectable website, finagle a spot on radio or TV and utter the same crap and see how soon you get tossed for using a racially charged epithet.<BR/><BR/>Bagwells site isn't relative to anything, but not how you want to believe it.<BR/><BR/>He's comments, and those of hundreds of posters on his hosted forum were acutely relevant to the amount of misguided and bigoted hatred Toyota's entry into NASCAR brought and it was also a prime example why his host tossed his crap off the internet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-73231576650686337752008-01-27T14:54:00.000-05:002008-01-27T14:54:00.000-05:00Marc, don't lecture me about deleting comments bef...Marc, don't lecture me about deleting comments before you look in the mirror and be honest about yourself.<BR/><BR/>As for those comments in that posting you linked - so what? Where's the xenophobia? Those people say they don't want Toyota in the sport. And Bill Bagwell's site wasn't relevent to anything.<BR/><BR/>Here's an idea - try to give me some reasons why Toyota involvement is good for the sport.<BR/><BR/>The blind lead the blind in your mind, Marc. I live in reality.Monkeesfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14522953722006761283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-50854395078118418612008-01-26T23:48:00.000-05:002008-01-26T23:48:00.000-05:00monkeesfan - "Wrong again, Marc - I deleted that p...monkeesfan - <I>"Wrong again, Marc - I deleted that post because it didn't come out properly."</I><BR/><BR/>Something you should do on a more regular basis considering at minimum 50% fit that category.<BR/><BR/>(And BTW, unless that's a new feature since my last blogger.com blog that isn't possible. Standby and I'll check the current version. Not the you would ever [cough] lie [cough] or anything.)<BR/><BR/><I>"Marc, you succumb to the PC mentality when you decry the use of (non-existent) racial invective and other "hate based terms" on "common display" since "the Toyota Haters" came on the scene."</I><BR/><BR/>Nonexistent? Only to the blind.<BR/><BR/>Rather than produce a long list of links <A HREF="http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/03/13/nascar-fans-run-their-mouths-toyota-sucks/" REL="nofollow">this post contains 6 links</A> to xenophobic BS peddled on a regular basis.<BR/><BR/>Guess you missed Bill Bagwell's "fun" little site called FART (Fans Against Racing Toyotas) that finally had to be shut down by his hosting service because of the numerous refs to "Japs," "rice Rockets," etc, etc ad nauseam.<BR/><BR/>Rock on in your blind leading the blind world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-4610017286843110422008-01-26T16:44:00.000-05:002008-01-26T16:44:00.000-05:00Wrong again, Marc - I deleted that post because it...Wrong again, Marc - I deleted that post because it didn't come out properly. <BR/><BR/>Marc, you succumb to the PC mentality when you decry the use of (non-existent) racial invective and other "hate based terms" on "common display" since "the Toyota Haters" came on the scene.<BR/><BR/>The presence of F1 rejects in Winston Cup is part of the same process that helped ruin Indycar racing - when the American short track grads were in effect eliminated from Indycar rides the popularity dropped. People can't identify with the F1 rejects - why hold that against fans?<BR/><BR/>The "Toyota haters" know where their TV sets come from and so forth and for the most part understand the reality of globalized economics - what they object to is the fact Toyota, a non-American manufactuer, has a history of bankrupting racing series they compete in. Their presence in the Trucks was advertised as improving the competition; we heard nonsense about how Toyota would make GM and Ford and Dodge step up their efforts. It didn't happen - they got priced out of contention for about two seasons and even though they've done better lately they're still nowhere close to Toyota in terms of budget or overall muscle. By no stretch can the Truck Series be considered better now than it was before Toyota came in.<BR/><BR/>You cite the fact a Jaguar won one race in the 1950s and oversell the importance to the sport of the West Coast - a great many fans understand that NASCAR has long had a West Coast presence, but nowhere has NASCAR's West Coast presence ever been all that relevent to the sport's top touring series. Ontario Motor Speedway was a crown jewel in racing and was supposed to help boost "the sport of the '70s." Except attendence never lived up to the hype and the track closed down. Riverside, despite good attendence, couldn't live up to it, either, and is also gone. The West Coast simply isn't that big a racing demographic. <BR/><BR/>The blunt truth of the matter is the sport is better off without the F1 rejects, without Toyota, without New York City, without Chicagoland, without LA, without Seattle, without Las Vegas (put that in your pipe and smoke it, Bruton), without the COT, and with what we've all seen <EM>actually works for the sport.</EM><BR/><BR/>Marc, it's all crap what you say and the lengths you go to justify opinions contrary to reality. You don't know racing like you think you do. Period. Go play your stupid "prove it" game somewhere else because it's bunkMonkeesfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14522953722006761283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-12995333742611156892008-01-26T15:05:00.000-05:002008-01-26T15:05:00.000-05:00monkeesfan - Finally went over the line and had a ...monkeesfan - Finally went over the line and had a post dumped by Mr. Poole didn't you?<BR/><BR/>Funny that, and very typical of you. Sooner or later you'll get tossed on a permanent basis.<BR/><BR/><I>"Your use of the term xenophobe only shows how corrupted the term has become by PC. People who prefer American short track graduates to F1 rejects in NASCAR - you call them xenophobes, and you have no right to say that."</I><BR/><BR/>What's corrupted is your twisting of the word into some type of PC crapola and total lack of understanding what the word means.<BR/><BR/>People, yes even YOU, can dislike Villeneuve or Montoya all they care to. It's a fair choice, what isn't fair is the use of racial invective and other hate based terms that are on common display and have been since the "Toyota Haters" arrived on scene.<BR/><BR/>Their opposition is not based on anything but "it's not American" so I "hate it."<BR/><BR/>When the Toyota haters are asked how they view NASCAR when TV sets have been made eclusivly in Asian for the last three decades they spin, spin, spin. Or quietly disappear from the thread.<BR/><BR/>When they are asked why hardly a "Toyota complaint" was ever heard when they moved into the NCTS same thing happens, spin or they disappear from the thread.<BR/><BR/>When the "NASCAR lost it's roots crowd" are asked to recall the days of West Coast NASCAR that goes back 40 years, or when a British made car won a NASCAR event, or when NASCAR sponsored and sanctioned a Mexican road race 4 decades ago they all claim this is "different" somehow and it doesn't count.<BR/><BR/>It's all crap, just as 90% of your comments are crap.<BR/><BR/>And BTW, where's my link-to posts that display my alleged "xenophobic" tendencies at Kathy's blog?<BR/><BR/>If you make an honest effort at finding them it should keep you busy for a VERY LONG time. Long enough to delay any future posts that contain deletion worthy crap on your part.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-53982640701013236342008-01-26T12:55:00.000-05:002008-01-26T12:55:00.000-05:00Marc, your hatred of the real fanbase shows in eve...Marc, your hatred of the real fanbase shows in every post you make. You stand up for Brian France because you hate the real fanbase. Brian France's policies have been rejected by the real fanbase because they are antithical to what racing is. <BR/><BR/>Your use of the term xenophobe only shows how corrupted the term has become by PC. People who prefer American short track graduates to F1 rejects in NASCAR - you call them xenophobes, and you have no right to say that. The sport doesn't need F1 rejects and shouldn't have them. <BR/><BR/>No point you've ever made jibes with the truth, marc. Therein lies what a real xenophobe is - one oblivious to reality. <BR/><BR/>And the namecalling - the last refuge of one who's lost the argument.Monkeesfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14522953722006761283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-27384883461603539262008-01-26T12:49:00.000-05:002008-01-26T12:49:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Monkeesfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14522953722006761283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-78908315410361375872008-01-26T05:09:00.000-05:002008-01-26T05:09:00.000-05:00monkeesfan - "BTW Marc, xenophobes are not at Kath...monkeesfan - <I>"BTW Marc, xenophobes are not at Kathy's blog; they are yourself and like-minded dopes.</I><BR/><BR/>Yeah.. ok, and it's obvious nu that bit of lunacy you haven't clue one what the word means.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=xenophobe&x=44&y=23" REL="nofollow">Xenophobe</A><I> a person who fears or hates foreigners, strange customs, etc.</I><BR/><BR/>Now using your own words ("I'm not going to play this stupid game of yours - it's up to you to prove your case,") you made the ludicrous unsubstantiated charge prove it.<BR/><BR/>Look at that defintion REAL hard, <B>more that once</B>, til it sinks into your nearly impenetrably thick skull and search Kathy's blog for the last 2 plus years and find ANY comment authored by me CLOSE to xenophobic.<BR/><BR/>Despicable little puke.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-84363844021801938522008-01-25T23:52:00.000-05:002008-01-25T23:52:00.000-05:00A big-picture question to Marc and nh_nascarfan.If...A big-picture question to Marc and nh_nascarfan.<BR/><BR/><BR/>If NASCAR abandons the courses it has been on the last ten-plus years - if it stops trying to impose itself on demorgraphics that don't want it; if it abandons the COT and reverts to the tire and aerodynamic packages of circa 2001 but with more widespread speed restriction via bolt-on pieces; if it sticks to the demographics that support it; if it puts in a point system that directly requires winning the most races and leading the most laps; if it imposes upon racecar organizations a spending cap, revenue sharing, and forced contraction to no more than three indivdual teams with no engine leases (i.e. helps teams be able to build their own engines instead of buying them from Hendrick et al); if it stops recruiting F1 rejects and brings back American short track graduates -<BR/><BR/>If it does all of this, where is the harm?Monkeesfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14522953722006761283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-20341338233847467972008-01-25T23:45:00.000-05:002008-01-25T23:45:00.000-05:00And marc, your sources aren't credible. Chicago i...And marc, your sources aren't credible. Chicago is not a racing demographic, hence me leaving it out of the Midwest in the list of the sport's true demographics. People there aren't going to the speedway and there is no evidence the city even cares it's there to any relevent extent. Nowhere do your sources prove otherwise. <BR/><BR/>As for "empty seats equate to bad ownership," that is the case <EM>in racing demographics</EM> like the Southeast. Because Chicago is not a racing demographic empty seats means no relevent interest from the area. <BR/><BR/>BTW Marc, xenophobes are not at Kathy's blog; they are yourself and like-minded dopes.<BR/><BR/>nh_nascarfan, Rockingham was and is a racing demographic - they didn't sell out because NASCAR chased the audience away. That the area has rallied to the track when Andy Hillinberg bought it shows it's a racing demographic; that no one from Chicago is showing much interest in the speedway in that area shows that area is not a racing demographic.<BR/><BR/>You have it backwards again - the more you try to show you know anything, the more wrong you are.Monkeesfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14522953722006761283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-5197631545368663422008-01-25T23:36:00.000-05:002008-01-25T23:36:00.000-05:00marc, again I didn't link the blog because I don't...marc, again I didn't link the blog because I don't have to. I'm not going to play this stupid game of yours - it's up to you to prove your case, not the other way around. You cite the larger quote even though it doesn't prove your case. The only pertinent part is the fact that they built three different cars and one was ten HP better aerodynamically. By the propaganda for the COT, that is supposed to be impossible. <BR/><BR/>That one car is ten horsepower better aerodynamically in a rules box that is supposed to make one size fit all means it is impossible not to build multiple cars for multiple tracks looking for that extra ten horsepower or extra tenth handling edge. The fact is one size NEVER fits all. <BR/><BR/>"No more special built cars for road course" etc.? That's a lie - it means special built cars for individual tracks just like before, because <EM>one size never fits all.</EM> <BR/><BR/>"You're not moving noses and tails" - don't underestimate the teams, who are ahead of NASCAR in the technology arms race. <BR/><BR/>Fleet size will never be reduced without NASCAR directly stepping into race shops and dictating what individual cars to race. And do you want that?Monkeesfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14522953722006761283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-91949271369073850832008-01-25T16:35:00.000-05:002008-01-25T16:35:00.000-05:00monkeesfan - "nh_nascarfan - "We tested three cars...monkeesfan - <I>"nh_nascarfan - "We tested three cars at Daytona and one was ten horsepower better (aerodynamically)." So noted Eddie Wood on the COT. (It's at Mike Mulhern's blog, BTW, not that you need to know the source) So don't lie to me about the COT negating the need for massive numbers of cars for an individual team."</I><BR/><BR/>Classic MF...CLASSIC.<BR/><BR/>First of all why ref a Mulhern blog and not link to it? Afraid someone would actually go there and read the passage you quoted?<BR/><BR/>If not you should have been because the <A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/27rvc4" REL="nofollow">entire quote</A> implies something other than your misguided BS.<BR/><BR/><I>"“The concept is to make all the cars as similar as possible. But we built three cars for Daytona, and one of them is 10 horsepower better (aerodynamically). Race cars are like people; they’re all different.<BR/>“<B>The box (of rules) is tighter now, and you’re not moving noses and tails and roofs like we were;</B> last year’s car was like a banana if you looked at it from the top.<BR/>“But this new car, well, you worry about so many things, but with this car, you have a lot fewer things to have worry about messing with."</I><BR/><BR/>Not that you would have the most rudimentary belief in the boldface section, but... what it does say is less leeway in cars means smaller fleets of cars.<BR/><BR/>It means NO MORE special-built cars for road courses, or 10 to 12 just for Daytona and Talladega, or 10-12 for Bristol, etc...etc!<BR/><BR/>The purpose is to make the car a "one size fits all" product and there is NO WAY that won't reduce fleet size.<BR/><BR/>At least that's what it means to normal, rational thinking fans. (present monkeesfans excluded)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-12841079612161713002008-01-25T12:34:00.000-05:002008-01-25T12:34:00.000-05:00nh_nascar fan - "Yes, once again, Monkeyboy has pr...nh_nascar fan - <I>"Yes, once again, Monkeyboy has proven beyond any shadow of a doubt that the more he tries to show that he knows anything about racing, to more he sticks his head in his ass."</I><BR/><BR/>You once asked my how I could continue to bait this mental midget for so long.<BR/><BR/>The answer is contained in your quote.<BR/><BR/>It may only take a couple pf comments, it may take many more, but it always happens.<BR/><BR/>At some point he completely melts down by either posting a blatant lie, or makes several switchs of positions within a matter of minutes. He'll move goalposts at a speed that would be record breaking if on the Salt Flats of Bonneville.<BR/><BR/>It's also a prime example why in the dozens of <A HREF="http://cranialcavity.net/fullthrottle/wp/" REL="nofollow">NASCAR related blogs in my blogroll</A> you won't find him as a regular at any of them.<BR/><BR/>He's only tolerated at That's Racin' blogs, and then only on Kathy's Blog and maybe one other one.<BR/><BR/>Kathy's place is "his choir" in many respects, the place is riff with haters, deniers, misinformed (with no tolerance to be factually corrected) and sorry to say a pack of xenophobes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-58307254335189536282008-01-25T08:31:00.000-05:002008-01-25T08:31:00.000-05:00Gee, I guess if empty seats mean no demo, I suppos...Gee, I guess if empty seats mean no demo, I suppose when the Rock wasn't selling out that means that there was no racing demo there either. <BR/><BR/>But wait... didn't Monkeyboy suggest that NASCAR and BF made a mistake by leaving the Rock? Incidentally, Charlotte has not sold out 100% of its races recently, so I guess they aren't 'racing demographics' either. Nor Atlanta. Nor Martinsvile.<BR/><BR/>Yes, once again, Monkeyboy has proven beyond any shadow of a doubt that the more he tries to show that he knows anything about racing, to more he sticks his head in his ass.<BR/><BR/>More to come later, I promise... need to fly for a few hours, but I couldn't resist pointing out the obvious. Not that anyone other than Monkeyboy needs it pointed out, I just cant wait to hear his excuse as to why empty seats in North Carolina is different than empty seats in Chicago. I'm sure this will be good...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-66669513865378808052008-01-24T19:51:00.000-05:002008-01-24T19:51:00.000-05:00SimianFAN - "Marc, Chicago is not a racing demogra...SimianFAN - <I>"Marc, Chicago is not a racing demographic - hence it isn't Midwest; figure out what context is for a change - and your "sources" aren't credible because the track has made no impact in that area - we've all seen the empty seating patches there."</I><BR/><BR/><B>My sources</B> aren't credible? <BR/><BR/>That's rich, would that be opposed to your sources?<BR/><BR/>Oh WAIT, you almost NEVER have any you just spew whatever floats to the front of a mind that has completely melted down and atrophied in this thread.<BR/><BR/>Lets' go thru your tripe slowly, my sources aren't credible?<BR/><BR/>Your gonna have to be more specific than there's no demo thus no impact on tracks.<BR/><BR/>Secondly, the links are what they are and proof positive there is a market for oval track racing not only in Illinois but the surrounding states. There is ZERO dispute in that no matter how much BS you attempt to shovel.<BR/><BR/>Secondly, I'll say it again, the more I teach you the dumber you get. <BR/><BR/>Example: <A HREF="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=demographic&x=0&y=0" REL="nofollow">Demographics</A>:<BR/><BR/><I>"n. A portion of a population, especially considered as consumers. </I><BR/><BR/>Even the most mentally challenged can deduce that having approx 200 oval tracks within a 5-700 mile radius around ChicagoLand is a market that like, and attends auto racing events.<BR/><BR/>But no..... not to your feeble mind. To you there is no demo because there are empty seats at Chacagoland. (but, but, but I thought your line was "empty seats equate to bad ownership not lack of demo?)<BR/><BR/>That's pure, unadulterated bullsh*t.<BR/><BR/>The frightening thing is, I think you actually believe the trash you spew.<BR/><BR/>There is one good thing about your viewpoint, honest!<BR/><BR/>Other than here, and a couple of blogs at That's Racin' your type is tossed within a couple comments for being a raving lunatic who does nothing more than agitate, spin, and display a total lack of even the most rudimentary knowledge of auto racing.<BR/><BR/>If I'm incorrect, please point me in the direction of a racing blog where you post on a regular basis. Other than That's Racin' blogs that is.<BR/><BR/>And BTW, how's that whole ChicagoLand not owned by ISC thing going?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com