tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post7530373999670656224..comments2024-01-11T19:29:38.859-05:00Comments on Life in the Turn Lane: NASCAR drivers fare poorly on Autosport listUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-17784510420836820712008-02-27T12:38:00.000-05:002008-02-27T12:38:00.000-05:00To Monkeesfan,NASCAR really takes no skills. Want...To Monkeesfan,<BR/><BR/>NASCAR really takes no skills. Want me to send you a website about the different kind of drifting, sliding, etc that Rally racers have to use? No offense, a NASCAR can use an automatic transmission and still win the race, while rally you have to change gears consistantly, use the full potential of your engine, car's weight, tires, etc.<BR/><BR/>Turning takes more skills to do than passing another car. How fast you turn, inside or outside affects a lot. Where as passing another car you just need SPEED. If your car is faster, then obviously you can pass him. Turning takes tons of skills and experience, turn turning a 40 degree turn in 100+ mph in an F1 car, then turn another 40 degree turn to another side right away. That takes skill, how to slow down car to turn yet not losing speed and time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-64908648739010751162008-01-05T23:44:00.000-05:002008-01-05T23:44:00.000-05:00toyphd, all you do is prove you're an ignoramus an...toyphd, all you do is prove you're an ignoramus and a liar. F1's "incredible contribution to the world of automobiles" is fiction. All your responses show is how bigoted you are and how cut off youi are from reality.<BR/><BR/>Technology has contributed almost nothing worthwhile to racing. F1 has no relevence to anything because its technology is meaningless. NASCAR has now surpassed F1 in popularity because it's still racing. <BR/><BR/>NASCAR has cars harder to drive, tracks more challenging to race (as opposed to drive; F1 tracks offer no racing challenge because they impede any ability to pass), and superior competition.<BR/><BR/>"And then you say the best NASCAR racing is restrictor plates?" Yes - more lead changes, more cars fighting for the win, superior competition. F1 has nothing remotely competitive in racing./<BR/><BR/>Don't lecture me or anyone else about F1 because your arguments are a lie.Monkeesfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14522953722006761283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-79532253751840566392008-01-04T14:52:00.000-05:002008-01-04T14:52:00.000-05:00Monkey,You win the; "Stick your head in the sand a...Monkey,<BR/><BR/>You win the; "Stick your head in the sand award." I guess the world is just too scary a place for you. The more you repsond the more it is obvious you know nothing about F1 and even less about NASCAR for which you claim to be a fan.<BR/><BR/>You ignore the incredible contribution F1 has made to the world of automobiles because its just to overwhelming for you to digest.<BR/><BR/>Then you say the best NASCAR racing is with restrictor plates? Man, you are alone on that one.<BR/><BR/>So let me get this straight, your idea of the best racing possible would be with old technology vehicles, they should all be similar, the racers should be competing in packs, there is lots of passing and there is an opressive governing body.<BR/><BR/>I got it.. you should be watching the Tour de France!<BR/><BR/>Face it, NASCAR drivers have the<BR/>least challenging vhicles (COT) on the least challenging tracks (they created the term cookie-cutter for them)under the least challenging conditions (Sunshine and only turning left) and you are surprised JJ was ranked 20th? Me too, he should have been lower.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-20967293179184514832008-01-04T14:27:00.000-05:002008-01-04T14:27:00.000-05:00HEY toyphdThis is from autoracing1.com, not from p...HEY toyphd<BR/>This is from autoracing1.com, not from people like Roush as you suggest. Still think F1 teams don't spend as much as NASCAB teams? Your full of it.<BR/><BR/>-----------------------------------<BR/>Autoracing1.com<BR/>-----------------------------------<BR/>Toyota might withdraw from F1 Toyota's high-spending formula one team risk being consigned to history unless they can get themselves into a consistently competitive position over the next two seasons. After six years with only two pole positions to show for their efforts, despite the international car manufacturer topping the sport's spending league with an annual outlay close to $500m (£252m), the Cologne-based team have been warned by their Japanese senior management that things must improve dramatically, a message which carries the inescapable threat that the future of the entire programme may be called into question and the team withdrawn from grand prix racing. <BR/><BR/>"I have been given two more years," said Tadashi Yamashina, the Toyota team principal, in the company's recently published motorsport report. "So we will work and fight to make sure we prove ourselves in the 2008 season."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-52679163031536335452008-01-02T13:29:00.000-05:002008-01-02T13:29:00.000-05:00Truthfully the F1 and all you foreign racers don't...Truthfully the F1 and all you foreign racers don't belong in NASCAR because it is was oriented as an American Sport. So why do you think you have the right to put our sport down? We (Americans) the ones I know don't put your racing sport down.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-57535430432926036892007-12-31T17:18:00.000-05:002007-12-31T17:18:00.000-05:00I'm British and Love my Nascar! It's the media, no...I'm British and Love my Nascar! It's the media, not race fans that have issues. But if you have read other articals from Autosport, you will see they are Pro-Nascar with the challenges that Nascar offers its drivers. Autosport views racing as a world sport, covering many forms. So overall, Nascar drivers are low compaired to WRC (Rally) or F1 as a sport. But if you view it as drivers, the ones that cover different forms, then list would be different.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-24099409909746549502007-12-28T16:13:00.000-05:002007-12-28T16:13:00.000-05:00toyphd - Least relevent to what? To racing. F1 o...toyphd - <BR/><BR/>Least relevent to what? To racing. F1 offers nothing in the way of memorable competition. The testing-bed for street cars argument is laughable since even F1 has been banning some technological items, and some of those items like radical aerodynamic engineering are meaningless. The technology F1 employs means <EM>NOTHING</EM> and is irrelevent. <BR/><BR/>"Now let's look at NASCAR." Even today, with the need to take technology out of NASCAR, there is still real racing there, albiet almost all of it is at Daytona and Talladega, where passing and sidedrafting are infinately more common and competitive than anything F1 can offer. <BR/><BR/>The negative comments about F1 here are based on the truth. We let the facts get in the way, F1-ophiles don't. Take the technology out and get back to real racing.Monkeesfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14522953722006761283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-61672160451519129412007-12-28T14:22:00.000-05:002007-12-28T14:22:00.000-05:00Well you are a Monkeesfan."Least relevant form of ...Well you are a Monkeesfan.<BR/><BR/>"Least relevant form of motorsports" really, least relevant to what?<BR/><BR/>F1 is the ONLY racing series that has consistently produced automotive (actually many forms of transportation) breakthroughs in performance, safety and durability with direct applications to today’s, consumer vehicles.<BR/><BR/>To name a few: Kevlar, carbon fiber, lighter and more rigid molded materials of all kinds that do not rely on petroleum, radical aerodynamic engineering, brake management/distribution /yaw control, superior brake pad materials, synthetic suspension bushings, next generation traction control, human ergonomics that reduces stress and improves action/reaction input, drive by wire controls, variable valve timing, CVT transmissions, individual cylinder fuel management that produces more power using less fuel while needing lower maintenance and is more environmentally friendly, filters of all kinds that perform better and get replaced less, plastic compounds more durable than metal, metallurgy binding of exotic metals to have the best contact characteristics which has resulted in the lightest engines with the best horsepower to weight ratio ever, foam molded chassis and core structures that are lighter with greater rigidity, interactive adhesive compounds, interior lighting that reduces stress and preserves night vision, hundreds of mechanical parts replaced by electrical activators and this little tidbit:<BR/><BR/>EVERYTHING in cars today is run by an EVA board computer with a very durable and user friendly interface for downloading and pin pointing issues while constantly adjusting to changing conditions to maximize performance. This control system is a direct descendent the brain created by F1 and is the single greatest factor as to why cars stay on the road longer. This saves you money, helps the environment and saves the automaker money (you too) because they no longer have to constantly retool and make manufacturing changes.<BR/><BR/>NOW, let's look at NASCAR. LOL. NASCAR uses antiquated systems that are no longer in use production anywhere in the world. NASCAR has never made any contribution of any kind to improve our driving experience and help the auto industry.<BR/><BR/>Everyone criticizes the International press for being too lazy, egotistical or jealous to appreciate the subtleties of NASCAR yet every negative comment here is based on misinformation, a genuine lack of awareness and a knee-jerk condescending, dismissive xenophobic reaction to anyone who doesn’t share our opinion. Never let the facts get in the way of a good gut feeling. LOLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-73086899052212928022007-12-26T19:16:00.000-05:002007-12-26T19:16:00.000-05:00AS FAR AS JEFF GORDON GOES I CAN ONLY SAY SCREWED ...AS FAR AS JEFF GORDON GOES I CAN ONLY SAY SCREWED AGAIN. IF NASCAR HADN'T KEPT SCREWING OVER HE WOULD HAVE SIX CHAMPIONSHIPS NOW, CAN'T WAIT TO SEE HOW THEY SCREW HIP THIS YEAR HOWARDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-63972762446983910382007-12-26T18:03:00.000-05:002007-12-26T18:03:00.000-05:00toyphd, we do watch F1 and the lead never changes....toyphd, we do watch F1 and the lead never changes. That's why F1 is the most expensive and least relevent form of motorsports in the world.Monkeesfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14522953722006761283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-61581391973719585982007-12-26T09:14:00.000-05:002007-12-26T09:14:00.000-05:00There is no pass for the lead in F1? You don't wa...There is no pass for the lead in F1? You don't watch F1.<BR/><BR/>NASCAR is "very" popular in Scandanavia? NASCAR is growing in popularity in Germany? Is your last name Hasselhoff?<BR/><BR/>Europeans are "jealous" of our racing? Oh yeah, hardly any history of racing in Europe.<BR/><BR/>The Enlish are more prententious than Americans? Have you read your own letter?<BR/><BR/>Europeans are too "lazy" to understand NASCAR? How are your Cricket lessons coming?<BR/><BR/>Maybe some of you should take Dave Poole's tactic and don't try to argue things you don't understand - or at least TRY to understand.<BR/><BR/>If not, your last name must be France.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-3847585113829661542007-12-23T23:36:00.000-05:002007-12-23T23:36:00.000-05:00Here is the bottom line. Nascar is an American spo...Here is the bottom line. Nascar is an American sport and that is O.K. Just like the NFL is an American sport. To us in the U.S. they are exciting and we know our guys are the best. F1 is like Soccer. It is European and very very boring to the majority of us. There are no passes for the lead in F1. It is not about competition on the track, just like they never score in Soccer. I would rather watch paint dry than watch F1 of Soccer. Let Europe have them both.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-22346207310685978282007-12-23T07:12:00.000-05:002007-12-23T07:12:00.000-05:00Don’t forget that this publication sells 75% of it...Don’t forget that this publication sells 75% of its print run in the UK and Ireland so they are, just like they did a year ago, preaching to their own community. Forget about F1, they only reason it is being watched on TV by Europeans is because if they don’t they got nothing to say their fellow workers on a Monday morning. Most Europeans are simply too lazy to get off their backsides and try understand the basics about NASCAR. In general European racing has become processional, i.e. the winner will most likely come from the top-4 qualifiers and with the we-know-better attitude that does the rounds here in Europe there is a distinct jealousy as far as American racing is concerned. <BR/><BR/>Funny that in Scandinavia that has produced so many fantastic rally drivers NASCAR is very popular. And a large number of rally drivers like NASCAR as well, same in Germany where NASCAR is steadily becoming more and more popular. <BR/><BR/>As mentioned before, I was totally infuriated a year ago when this useless poll was published. This year I just glanced over it and concluded that AUTOSPORT, pretentious as they are, still have not become any wiser. Again, it has a lot to do with the circulation of this publication, any solid knowledge does not come into the equation. <BR/><BR/>From somewhere in Europe, Merry Xmas to you all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-28935590226266170662007-12-23T06:15:00.000-05:002007-12-23T06:15:00.000-05:00Everyone seems to ignore the fact the European se...Everyone seems to ignore the fact the European series, including F1 race regardless of weather. <BR/><BR/>NASCAR would be more of an international attraction if they used the rain tires Goodyear developed 10 or so years ago.<BR/><BR/>Locking in via owner points eliminates the excitement generated by having everyone qualify...otherwise it seems to the casual observer to be a fixed program.<BR/><BR/>As far as technology, NASCAR uses a ton of data collection devices, they just aren't available on race day. Otherwise, how do you employ 200+ in your shop. They've got engineers for the dang shocks, for chrissake!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-35746481670739690792007-12-21T23:10:00.000-05:002007-12-21T23:10:00.000-05:00Great comments - a few rednecks in there with thei...Great comments - a few rednecks in there with their "USA kicks ass" schtick, but some surprisingly good and thoughtful posts.<BR/><BR/>NASCAR can't compare with F1 in terms of resources, prestige or manufacturer support, and what those drivers do week in and week out is amazing.<BR/><BR/>HOWEVER, modern NASCAR is still great fun to watch. Often the races are determined by less than a car length, and the ability of the cars to touch and keep going makes the races even more exciting (was there EVER a more exciting finish to any motorsport race than Ricky Craven/Kurt Bush at Darlington? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdm2EbYbkzw&feature=related)<BR/><BR/>As for pure driving talent, those drivers that have been successful at several different types of series surely have the edge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-36767974692675211482007-12-21T14:42:00.000-05:002007-12-21T14:42:00.000-05:00Autosport is based in UK, and it is a British publ...Autosport is based in UK, and it is a British publication, where F1 is God, Nascar only has a small page every week, and it has a limited following. I must admit those who find Nascar love it, however, even when F1 is at is worst, the British will watch it, and therefore names like Trulli will always rank higher than Jimmie Johnson.<BR/><BR/>Consider the source, if this had been an American publication, it would have Jimmie or Jeff as number 1, and the Formula one drivers would be no where!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-44717643026764376642007-12-21T11:20:00.000-05:002007-12-21T11:20:00.000-05:00NASCAR is racing.Open wheel is driving a $6,000,00...NASCAR is racing.Open wheel is driving a $6,000,000.00 carv fastAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-88475221957797260732007-12-20T19:02:00.000-05:002007-12-20T19:02:00.000-05:00I would put Tony Stewart up against any F1 driver ...I would put Tony Stewart up against any F1 driver in any type of racecar at any time and he would be leading the field in a 5 laps.<BR/><BR/>Tony Stewart is just that good. And so are many of the NASCAR drivers.<BR/><BR/>The F1 drivers have so much technology that there is no way in this world that you can say that this is real racing.<BR/><BR/>Racing is driving a car by the seat of your pants. Not pushing buttons on a little bitty steering wheel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-91162885780758474672007-12-20T18:20:00.000-05:002007-12-20T18:20:00.000-05:00who did those europeans surrender to, anyway? was...who did those europeans surrender to, anyway? was it other europeans? did you learn anything in reform school, idiot?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-23818484654178928452007-12-20T18:16:00.000-05:002007-12-20T18:16:00.000-05:00Good point about Redneck mentality Toyphd.I'll bet...Good point about Redneck mentality Toyphd.<BR/>I'll bet that the europeans think that the Stock Cars look not much better than a Sherman Tank.<BR/><BR/>Mmmm--A few years ago, the Sherman looked pretty good to them when it went over to "surrenderville" and save their sorry asses.<BR/><BR/>Stinkin' european surrender monkeys.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-13327687315060384182007-12-20T17:44:00.000-05:002007-12-20T17:44:00.000-05:00By the way, one of the major reasons we don't get ...By the way, one of the major reasons we don't get any respect from the motorsports press around the world is our redneck, Good 'Ol Boys Club press and people like David Poole. He admits to not being knowledgeable about other driving series from around the world yet he questions the list of best drivers. Talk about making Americans look boorish and stupid. NASCAR and its contributing writers are no better with stupid comments like: "Worthy drivers bumped from Cup by the onslaught of open wheel drivers." Three open wheel drivers are coming in next year, 3 out of a potential 50 drivers. Oh yeah, let's blame open wheel drivers because the old world we once knew is no longer pertinent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-37469455683840080942007-12-20T17:33:00.000-05:002007-12-20T17:33:00.000-05:00The WRC embodies more of what the traditional "NAS...The WRC embodies more of what the traditional "NASCAR values" are--production cars raced on the dirt/snow/rain/ice/tarmac.<BR/><BR/>Do any of you douches remember the origins of NASCAR racing? old moonshiners running hot rodded production cars on dirt roads. Now, NASCAR is overly regulated, contrived, and runs bloated cars which are artificially slowed. That's hardly pure racing--fixed fields, etc.--like Tony Stewart truthfully said--NASCAR is little more than pro wrestling these daysAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-50773555768298724462007-12-20T17:27:00.000-05:002007-12-20T17:27:00.000-05:00WOW, I love the misinformation, F1 spends 100's of...WOW, I love the misinformation, F1 spends 100's of millions of dollars. Please. You buy the BS from people like Roush - it is not economically feasible to spend that kind of money. Oh yeah, all the F1 drivers are quaking in their boots about the loss of traction control and downforce. Traction control was only legal a few years and every year they reduce downforce. Are you aware that they have to get through the entire weekend on one set of tires? NASCAR is outspending F1 with windtunnels like the one developed by Haas that was built for NASCAR but will be used by series from all over the world so stop with the F1 drivers having it soft because of the money spent. You really should learn more about F1 before you buy all the BS spit out by the redneck press to keep your eyeballs glued to NASCAR. It's the car winning, not the driver? You can say the same thing about NASCAR.<BR/><BR/>And again, maybe Jeff turned a few good laps but no way he would be competitive. He was only a "few tenths behind?" Are you kidding me? How far back in a NASCAR qualifying field would "a few tenths" put him? He wouldn't even make the race.<BR/><BR/>Guys, its not a slap in the face to the cars or the drivers, its a statement about NASCAR. Let NASCAR start driving in the rain, set the starting grid by speeds, reduce the whorish way they promote themselves with 6 hours of pre-race covereage and stop with the arbitrary rule inforcement and then maybe, maybe we'll get some respect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-27716356347020022052007-12-20T16:30:00.000-05:002007-12-20T16:30:00.000-05:00Back to the Indy Switch in 2003, if i recall, Jeff...Back to the Indy Switch in 2003, if i recall, Jeff only went off once when he entered the first hairpin to early. There is no way that the car was set up close to competitively. Williams probably made him sign some sort of gag order on the stuff he was told by the BMW crew, but thats no guarantee that when he got a call from Maranello that he would have turned some cash to blab about the BMW chassis. So 1:16 second laps, as i recall, are pretty admirable.<BR/><BR/>And the Only Reason Jensen made it was because he is British, and there should have only been room for one IRL driver with that pansy 16 race schedule that is won by the cars not the drivers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-46334353263647133222007-12-20T16:10:00.000-05:002007-12-20T16:10:00.000-05:00It's true, F1 is the top level of auto racing. Loo...It's true, F1 is the top level of auto racing. Looking at the team budgets how can it be considered any else? Therefore, logic would dictate that F1 teams only hire the worlds best drivers. Why wouldn't they after spending 100's of millions developing the cars? However, some of these best drivers are now very nervous because they are losing traction control in 2008 and half the downforce in 2009. They can no longer punch the throttle after a corner and point the car, they have to actually drive the thing. Bunch of wimps.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, NASCAB is a joke. As Doogie500 and others have said here, it is NOT REAL RACING. Period. The open wheel guys heading there are doing it purely for the money.<BR/><BR/>But I have an idea for NASCAR which might get thier drivers up higher on that list. Get rid of the pickup truck series and start a new one using school buses with huge supercharged engines! I'd pay good money to watch 30 of those going 180 mph around an oval. Ok stop laughing, I'm serious. For one thing, just think how much more room there would be for sponsor logo's. Plus, you could charge admission for passengers and tv crews right onboard the bus. C'mon, you think the money grubbing folks at NASCAR haven't given this some thought already?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com