tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post2482101021766993834..comments2024-01-11T19:29:38.859-05:00Comments on Life in the Turn Lane: Siegel is right pick, but it will take supportUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-91582157139866642852009-10-25T17:43:33.291-04:002009-10-25T17:43:33.291-04:00The reason organizations like the Drive for Divers...The reason organizations like the Drive for Diversity support minorities and females is because people don't give those drivers the attention they deserve. <br /><br />I agree that you shouldn't give funding to a minority/female driver that is only a so-so racer, but it's a really good idea for the champions who don't get the time of day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-51583780080247031742009-01-18T22:24:00.000-05:002009-01-18T22:24:00.000-05:00It's really stupid to say that corporate America h...It's really stupid to say that corporate America has to help blacks. If you approach any of the Fortune 500 companies, they will show you a very long list of blacks they already support. I'm sure they don't appreciate being called racists by NASCAR wanna-bees.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-133700537543201082009-01-18T22:21:00.000-05:002009-01-18T22:21:00.000-05:00Hey how about Campbell's Soup who spent millions f...Hey how about Campbell's Soup who spent millions for years with D McNabb and his mother.<BR/><BR/>Let's face it, lack of black drivers has to do with talent, not prejudice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-35037880520565862782009-01-18T14:41:00.000-05:002009-01-18T14:41:00.000-05:00Every time a black or a minority person fails, jus...Every time a black or a minority person fails, just blame it on corporate America or white corporate America. Well, I got news for you. Corporate America is not very white. Considerin that blacks only make up 13% or so of the population, look at Harpo=Oprah, American Express=K Chenault (black), Time Warner=RD Pason (black), Aetna Ins= RA Williams (black). <BR/><BR/>You want us to believe that all these black Pres/CEOs, though black have a prejudice against black drivers? That's nuts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-52835982308712381042009-01-18T12:26:00.000-05:002009-01-18T12:26:00.000-05:00No doubt about the south being a whipping boy agai...No doubt about the south being a whipping boy again. Indy racing has been around twice as long and never harrassed like this knowing it takes big money to race. <BR/><BR/>Get a sponsor like billionaire Oprah and a good team. Nothing is free. Whites are competing with whites and will do what it takes to win. <BR/><BR/>Pro sports is easy money compared to NASCAR. No draft system to equal things out. Dog eat dog. Feast or famine. <BR/><BR/>Ultimately females cant compete with males. Dont they separate genders in all other sports? Maybe an all female race league could be formed. Blacks also will never risk their lives at 200 mph. Drive for Diversity is bogus like that easy money discrimination lawsuit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-6158561990348176672009-01-18T11:44:00.000-05:002009-01-18T11:44:00.000-05:00lesismore34,You are nuts if you think that Home De...lesismore34,<BR/><BR/>You are nuts if you think that Home Depot would give up the chance to sponsor a talented black driver. They did not sponsor Tony because he was white. To say that is an insult to Home Depot and Tony.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-75992307662853473192009-01-18T11:39:00.000-05:002009-01-18T11:39:00.000-05:00Tim Tebow has "it."Michael Vick had "it." Who made...Tim Tebow has "it."<BR/><BR/>Michael Vick had "it." Who made Michael the highest paid football player in the NFL? Arthur Blank. Who is Mr Blank? The co-founder of Home Depot. Corporate America.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-36764812896593899682009-01-18T11:29:00.000-05:002009-01-18T11:29:00.000-05:00lesismore34,You probably know a lot of things, but...lesismore34,<BR/><BR/>You probably know a lot of things, but you don't know much about the corporate world. In sports, you need talent and above that you need the "it" factor. You probably don't have it and no black driver has proven they have it either.<BR/><BR/>In the 80s when Michael Jordan was making millions and OJ Simpson was running thru airports, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, one of the best basketball players of all times, could get a sponsorship from the 99 cent store. He still can't. Talent was not enough. <BR/><BR/>In tennis, Pete Sampras never got the endorsements than Andre Agassi got (before Andree had ever won a major). You need talent plus "it."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-8515423540453679532009-01-18T09:41:00.000-05:002009-01-18T09:41:00.000-05:00Who are the biggest beneficiaries of corporate Ame...Who are the biggest beneficiaries of corporate America? Tiger Woods, LeBron James, Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, blavk rap artists, Beyonce, Will Smith, Oprah, etc.<BR/><BR/>If you look at the llst of cororations that sponsor these folks, it's the same list that sponsor NASCAR drivers. It's not race that matters to owners and sponsors, it's talent.<BR/><BR/>I would agree that southern fans might be another subject. I mean they hated and still hate Jeff Gordon. Not becasue of his race, but becasue he was not one of "theirs". But Jeff had no trouble finding a ride. Why? Because he had/has talent. Fron the time he was 3 years old. Kinda like Tiger, talent since he was 2.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-86458274185122495792009-01-18T09:35:00.000-05:002009-01-18T09:35:00.000-05:00Jimmie Johnson actually made more money in winning...Jimmie Johnson actually made more money in winnings than Tiger did in 2007. The difference in money was that crporate America is lin love with Tiger and he made in the neighborhood of $100 million and JJ made about $20 mil?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-84948986036076659202009-01-18T09:31:00.000-05:002009-01-18T09:31:00.000-05:00Ig blacks want to have a pity party, that's their ...Ig blacks want to have a pity party, that's their right. The problem is that if they never look at themselves for their failures, they will never change and get better.<BR/><BR/>This bit about corporate America not supporting blacks in NASCAR. Maybe the reason is that so far they are all TERRIBLE!!<BR/><BR/>Corporate America wants to make a profit, no matter where they find it. They would love to be he first to sponsor a black driver, if he coud be found.<BR/><BR/>When Tiger Woods decided to go pro, the day after the line was from here to the moon of the corporate sponsor he coulc chose from. He has said that he is careful who he represents. Shall we count them? General Motors, Titlist, General Mills, American Express, Accenture, Nike, Gillette, Gatorade.<BR/><BR/>He does not do pharmacuticals or liquor--maybe becasue he is Buddhist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-13590576939429321812009-01-17T16:36:00.000-05:002009-01-17T16:36:00.000-05:00It hurts for you folks to think that I as a Black ...It hurts for you folks to think that I as a Black Man didn’t give my NASCAR career 110% in trying to race like my White counterparts and that I was looking more for an handout and not an opportunity, In the spirit of this country’s founding Fathers, I like those Pioneers of old, I weathered all the nay-sayers, back-biters, all the racist, and say I love this sport, I want to be a part of it, I can drive the hell out of a race car, I put my heart and soul in trying to find sponsors, talking to the powers that be in NASCAR, local track officials, your name it. I sacrificed so much to try and be a NASCAR Driver, but despite my love, my deserved, my ambitions, and determination, the color of my skin weighed more heavily against me than any other factor.<BR/><BR/>Years past, NASCAR has not been ready, they didn’t want to lose fans to “White Fright” if the pursued minorities form fans and Corporate American, so they did not participate actively in diversity. Today it’s a different story. For NASCAR to continue to compete for sports dollars against the NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB, IRL, NHRA, etc, etc, they must become like the American Community an employ, give business opportunities to, and promote not just the Whites who given their all for the sport, but also to Black, Latinos, and Women who want to equally comment to NASCAR.<BR/><BR/>But now time has changed, the economy is working against everyone, the rich and poor. Even strong efforts and individuals are feeling the cold winds of recession. Many in NASCAR don’t know if they will have a job or not. With many Corporate Budgets, NASCAR’s Lifeblood lowering, its impossible to know what turn the future of NASCAR will take or what the season holds.<BR/><BR/>But for us diehard NASCAR Lovers, we will be here waiting for the Green Flag to drop, waiting for those engines to fire, and for those four words that every race fans love to hear, ‘ GENTLEMAN START YOUR ENGINES”!!!lesismore34https://www.blogger.com/profile/08260193413514557640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-5062199742746021092009-01-17T10:56:00.000-05:002009-01-17T10:56:00.000-05:00A lie is when someone intentionally deviates from ...A lie is when someone intentionally deviates from the truth. <BR/><BR/>Please take a poll on how many whites attend races as opposed to blacks and the odds are staggering to say the least. 99.9% of fans at races are white. <BR/><BR/>We are talking "paying" fans here. You can take the same poll at NFL NBA games and there are 95% paying white fans in attendance. <BR/><BR/>Maybe some watch racing on tv but thats doubtful. <BR/><BR/>If blacks are so interested in racing where are all the black racers even in INDY car racing? Why are there no Drive for Diversity in Formular One Indy car racing? <BR/><BR/>Dont you think that just maybe they are picking on a southern sport as usual? <BR/><BR/>Where are the black drivers on the small circuits? <BR/><BR/>The fact is the powers that be and other politically correcters just want to maker certain that NASCAR and TV contracts are blackmailed and extorted to have a quota system to keep those rednecks in line. We know what they are doing. <BR/><BR/>BTW How many millions did that lying black female extortionist collect with her ambulance chaser NYC lawyer off NASCAR last month because she said she was happy and satisfied?<BR/><BR/>As far as Wendell Scott, he was fine and nobody hasseled him. <BR/>And nobody hasseled Charlie Pride either who made millions in country music. <BR/>The problem comes when you strut in and stuff this trash down peoples throats. <BR/>Those who act natural and human are treated as such.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-27830921137460656022009-01-17T09:32:00.000-05:002009-01-17T09:32:00.000-05:00Oh, I get it... I think someone should not be favo...Oh, I get it... I think someone should not be favored over someone else because of skin color, and I am a raciest. A lot of other people out here as well. Typical liberal tactic, disagree with the politically correct stand and you are called names and shunned.<BR/><BR/>Pathetic. Why dont you instead back yourself up as to why we are raciest? <BR/><BR/>Lesismore, I feel for you, and dont disagree that racism has and in some areas, still does exist. But why should you based on you skin color get something that someone else cant? There are thousands of white kids who are in the same boat as you? Wouldnt that not be racism as well?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-59826159607146903492009-01-16T20:42:00.000-05:002009-01-16T20:42:00.000-05:00David Poole, you are 1,000% right. NASCAR must in...David Poole, you are 1,000% right. NASCAR must invest in it's future and increase more opportunities for minorities people.<BR/> <BR/>Take it from an African-American who eats, sleeps, and dreams NASCAR for over 40 years, who himself started out a fan, graduated to a Racing Journalist and got into racing competitively, the biggest problem was money and the lask of it.<BR/> <BR/>If I had Corporate Sponsorship or someone with deep pockets I would have changed the NASCAR World 20 years ago. But because the NASCAR Community, the fans, Corporate America, the Media, and NASCAR itself was not ready for change, change didn't come for minority fans.<BR/> <BR/>Look at all the African-American people who have come along over the years and only had limited success. Wendell Scott, Charley Scott, Randy Bethra, Willy T. Ribbs, Joe Washington with Dr.J, Pro Football's Tim Brown, Doc Watson, George Wilshire, Joe Henderson, Len Miller, Morty Buckles, Sam Belnavis, Bruce Driver, Nelly, Jim Brown, Bill Lester, Chris Bristol, Les Montgomery, and many, many more. As long as there has been NASCAR there has been minority interest and involvement in this sport.<BR/> <BR/>As for NASCAR's Drive for Diveristy, the D4D Program has aided more women and Hispanics than African-Americans. There are more Hispanic Drivers in NASCAR because the D4D Program and the Hispanic Community supports their drivers. The African-American Community will come around only after NASCAR shows a real interest in African-American dividuals.<BR/> <BR/>The three main reason there has not been more minoirty inclusion in NASCAR. First, NASCAR itself has been slow to put minorities, mainly African-Americans in the fore front. There ahve not found a person or persons that they feel confordable with repersenting NASCAR racing.<BR/> <BR/>Secondly, the media. There has been no African-American representation on TV who an African-American audience has identified with. Brad Doughty is doing a great job on ESPN, but most African-Americans see him as a Basketball player at North Carolina and Cleveland. There has to be more faces during race coverage than the token effort by ESPN. Hey, Speed TV whats up?<BR/> <BR/>Number 3, MONEY! Corporate America has stop all the segrated marketing practises, demographics, whos buying what, and invest in minority efforts, dividuals, and teams who are making efforts to include African-American players. Since NASCAR has always been a White domorated sport, the smart and good business marketing is to sale to whos there, White People.<BR/> <BR/>The biggest reason why Black Corporate America has not dove into NASCAR is because there are no Black drivers, pitcrew members, or fans to sale to, at the track, on TV or anywhere else.<BR/> <BR/>Now is the time NASCAR support be ready to move on the African-American Community. Especially since NASCAR Jackets are the big fashions statement among young minorities. They are benefiting on this free advertisement wave, but when the fade dies down.<BR/> <BR/>In the end, NASCAR must roll the dice, invest in minoirtes up front and on the surface if it is to continue to grow and posper.<BR/> <BR/>We wish Max well, but if get the resources he needs to really create diversity, it going to be a long and kind of boring job.lesismore34https://www.blogger.com/profile/08260193413514557640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-260319052162877342009-01-16T19:22:00.000-05:002009-01-16T19:22:00.000-05:00Crack me up..........talking about people you don'...Crack me up..........<BR/><BR/>talking about people you don't know being 'racist' (not you David, I'm referring to the poster) because they believe in an equal chance for ANYONE<BR/><BR/>Do you know the people who posted here? You don't know me; you have no idea what I look like, what my family looks like or is made up of, or anything else about me.<BR/><BR/>A direct quote from you (dear Anonymous):<BR/><BR/>"I detest every racist naysayer and wish for each one, the pain their inability to recognize their shortcomings causes. They should take their bigotry to Hell, and stay there !"<BR/><BR/>Do you really wish people this....if so, you have a bigger problem than someone who feels that everyone should have an equal chance/opportunity....<BR/><BR/>I'm just saying.....<BR/><BR/>LynnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-19457782894337054312009-01-16T19:05:00.000-05:002009-01-16T19:05:00.000-05:00To 6:33,Your right!But,David Poole wrote this and ...To 6:33,<BR/>Your right!But,David Poole wrote this and this is all about him and what he thinks.He's always telling the fans who to pull for etc.He'll even tell the fans to spend their money on nascar,he says it's their duty.And let me assure you of this.Lets say a team has a black driver,and lets say he runs good,and lets say he even wins a race.The only way Poole would write anything positive about him would be if he drives a chevy,or drives for HMS.Because in the eyes of the NOVICE race fan Mr.David Poole,HMS is what runs nascar and without HMS nascar would cease to exsist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-43048560890727305092009-01-16T18:33:00.000-05:002009-01-16T18:33:00.000-05:00David,I applaud your honesty, sincerity and sensit...David,<BR/><BR/>I applaud your honesty, sincerity and sensitivity. Please understand you may be fighting a losing battle against a horribly ignorant community of racists and bigots.<BR/><BR/>It is possible we must accept they will never change and NASCAR is doomed to repeat its years of terrible discrimination.<BR/><BR/>So be it. The bastards deserve each other and their biased world.<BR/><BR/>Pick your battles, kind sir.<BR/><BR/>The NASCAR snakes who speak agianst your opinion deserve their own continent......ideally far away, or in another galaxy.<BR/><BR/>I detest every racist naysayer and wish for each one, the pain their inability to recognize their shortcomings causes.<BR/><BR/>They should take their bigotry to Hell, and stay there !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-80759654535424932922009-01-16T16:17:00.000-05:002009-01-16T16:17:00.000-05:00What a great group of barely closet racists.Your M...What a great group of barely closet racists.<BR/><BR/>Your Moms have to be proud you grew up just like her.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-89970894922177754262009-01-16T15:35:00.000-05:002009-01-16T15:35:00.000-05:00nh, Very well put, but you will never convince DP ...nh, <BR/><BR/>Very well put, but you will never convince DP and his type that any policy that punishes or rewards one group over another, fixes nothing. <BR/><BR/>What I don't understand is that many of these folks have never done anything personally to help a minority. Supreme Court Justice Ginsberg had NEVER hired a black person to her office in the some 20 years. She's all for affirmetive action, and yet her actions revealed something else. <BR/><BR/>I know that NASCAR has to walk a fine line, but I hope they limit how much they will pay all those who continue to blackmail them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-76172313687099058292009-01-16T13:08:00.000-05:002009-01-16T13:08:00.000-05:00David Poole said... 'The difference is that nev...David Poole said... <BR/> 'The difference is that never at any time did the NBA have a policy against having white players. In NASCAR, you had people running tracks literally not accepting the entry of Wendell Scott. I didn't make that up. It happened. The liberal media didn't make that up. It's not about shame. It's just bad business.'<BR/><BR/>Yes, David, it did happen. And does it happen today? No. Slavery happened too, and that also doesn’t happen today. In fact, as a nation, we have made enough inroads to elect a black president. <BR/><BR/>Yes, racism exists. But do we need to favor one group over another to 'make up for it'? Do we need to discriminate the poor white, southern boy who dreams to be a NASCAR driver so that we can 'make up' for the fact that at one time some track owners refused to allow blacks to race? How do you think that little white boy will feel when the little black boy gets a break over him because of his skin color? David, can you explain the difference for me between that and telling a black kid he can’t race because of his skin color? Please, I still fail to see your logic? What I do see though is a little boy (be it black or white) who will learn very quickly to hate the other skin color. How about this idea… how about supporting any little boy – or girl – who has the desire to race? How about ignoring skin color, gender, nationality, or religion altogether? Diversity programs, by their very nature, fail to do this. If 10 kids who all happen to be white want to race, a diversity program will go out of its way to find a few black kids who may be interested… just to make guys like DP feel good about the past sins in this nation. And we are supposed to believe that is not wrong thinking.<BR/><BR/>Was it bad business? Sure, any time you turn away paying customers, its bad business. But the reality is that while investing in driver development is good, trying to make up for past sins by favoring one group over another just continues the problem that you are feeling guilty over. Racism is racism, whether you favor blacks or whites. <BR/><BR/>Diversity programs, quotas, and affirmative action are all shams, designed to make people 'feel good' about problems in society, the reality is that the very premise of these ideas breed hatred and racism.<BR/><BR/>Martin Luther King Jr: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." <BR/><BR/>I don’t see anything about diversity programs, quotas, or affirmative action. In fact, I see the exact opposite.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-47731696884291308052009-01-16T11:47:00.000-05:002009-01-16T11:47:00.000-05:00"100% of the above murder victims were black."Wow...."100% of the above murder victims were black."<BR/><BR/>Wow. There's hope for y'all after all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-79038651567308852152009-01-16T10:17:00.000-05:002009-01-16T10:17:00.000-05:00DP,In case you doubt me. Posted 9-5-08CHICAGO (CBS...DP,<BR/><BR/>In case you doubt me. Posted 9-5-08<BR/><BR/>CHICAGO (CBS) ― <BR/><BR/>An estimated 125 people were shot and killed over the summer. That's nearly double the number of U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq over the same time period.<BR/><BR/>In May, cbs2chicago.com began tracking city shootings and posting them on Google maps. Information compiled from our reporters, wire service reports and the Chicago Police Major Incidents log indicated that 125 people were shot and killed throughout the city between the start of Memorial Day weekend on May 26, and the end of Labor Day on Sept. 1.<BR/><BR/>According to the Defense Department, 65 U.S. soldiers were killed in combat in Iraq. <BR/>--------------------<BR/><BR/>I wonder if Siegel will be looking in Chicago for NASCAR drivers. And just because Siegel is black does not mean he is safe here. 100% of the above murder victims were black.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-27995160655599034362009-01-16T09:32:00.000-05:002009-01-16T09:32:00.000-05:00DP wrote:I think if NASCAR gave Siegel that kind o...DP wrote:<BR/>I think if NASCAR gave Siegel that kind of nest egg and set him loose, the return on that investment would be huge down the road.<BR/><BR/>---------------------<BR/><BR/>What gives you so much faith in Siegel? What has he ever done to get that much support from you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-57752081956196055252009-01-16T08:55:00.000-05:002009-01-16T08:55:00.000-05:00DP, Like most liberals, you think that all you hav...DP, <BR/><BR/>Like most liberals, you think that all you have to do is throw money at a problem, and it will be solved. Mostly, you want to throw someone else's money. Money is not what works. <BR/><BR/>I'm in Chicago. The land of Obama. There is so much money thrown around here, and the pathologies of the black community just keep getting worse. High school dropouts are at an all time high. Even ones that graduate can hardly read their own diplomas. Black on black killings are so high that this past year, we had more murders here than deaths in Iraq. (You're in the news business, look it up.)<BR/><BR/>Look at your title for this piece. "Siegel is right pick..." Why? Because he's black? Is that the only attribute that is needed? <BR/><BR/>I read the piece on ESPN. He recieved the Racial Harmony Award from the Foundation for Ethnic Understanding in 2007. So, does that give him qulifications for this job? I don't know, but is he just a nicer version of the Revered Jesse Jackson, who held up NASCAR for hundreds of thousands of dollars?<BR/><BR/>Siegel also said that his goal is to continue learning about the sport (he only joined the sport in 2007) and become an owner in the future.<BR/><BR/>To me, he is just using this as a stepping stone to personal goals. Nice. If he were white, most would say that is a conflict of interest. In the liberal community, "he's the right pick".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com