tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post14146286509939907..comments2024-01-11T19:29:38.859-05:00Comments on Life in the Turn Lane: Race will provide answers about tire decisionsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-44262117724489073502008-07-31T12:00:00.000-04:002008-07-31T12:00:00.000-04:00I Like Cheese!I Like Cheese!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-83923404598137878852008-07-30T21:40:00.000-04:002008-07-30T21:40:00.000-04:00Did NASCAR learn anything from sundays race? I do ...Did NASCAR learn anything from sundays race? I do not think so. They should of taken some of the cars that were in the back of the pack and many laps down, and switch them to the other tires that were shipped in. The could of use those cars as a test, and learned if those tires were different and worn better or worse. But nothing was done and a great testing chance loss. I do also think that Goodyear and Nascar own the ticket holder who stayed and watch this heat race some money back !!!!!! This sport this week was the laughting stock of the world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-6199875222197470952008-07-29T22:33:00.000-04:002008-07-29T22:33:00.000-04:00With the pullout from Mexico City, it is obvious t...With the pullout from Mexico City, it is obvious that NASCAR will settle for dominating the US and parts of Canada.<BR/><BR/>While NASCAR belongs to the FIA it is through ACCUS that it has its membership.<BR/><BR/>Also the listing of NASCAR events on the FIA calendar is a gimick that Big Bill France started after he built Daytona so that internationally licensed drivers could run NASCAR events without hassles over obtaining a NASCAR license (and help him with gate draws).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-88041807059740495772008-07-29T17:51:00.000-04:002008-07-29T17:51:00.000-04:00Yes if NASCAR is really looking hard at going inte...Yes if NASCAR is really looking hard at going internationaly, I really would be caring about the FIA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-66648543714688930972008-07-29T16:39:00.000-04:002008-07-29T16:39:00.000-04:00anonymous #46, you're nailing one of the biggest p...anonymous #46, you're nailing one of the biggest points of this debacle quite well. The COT is - there is no other word for it - a failure.Monkeesfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14522953722006761283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-89716880355048300262008-07-28T21:13:00.000-04:002008-07-28T21:13:00.000-04:00I'm no expert, I'm just thinkung out loud and prob...I'm no expert, I'm just thinkung out loud and probably out in left field. The composition of the tires had it's share to do with the problem no doubt. What I'm thinking is that the shearing of the rubber was done with more of a side ways slip than a downward push from aero downforce on the rear end. The old cup cars had a great deal of downforce on the rear end, the COT doesn't have that. Did any of you notice how the COT was almost tracking sideways even when they were going down the straightaways? If you can look at some replays of the race and note the way the car seems to be "crabbing" down the straights. I'm wondering if the COT is so different from the old cup car by having so much less downforce on the rear end that they have to do wierd stuff with the camber or alignment of the rear wheels to get the handling to to be good enough that they can maintain some semblance of speed on the track.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-16926340128138640602008-07-28T20:34:00.000-04:002008-07-28T20:34:00.000-04:00ANONYMOUS 7:08 - I'm not sure I completely underst...ANONYMOUS 7:08 - I'm not sure I completely understand it, but your explanation of the dust and not rubbering-in is the best explanation I've seen so far anywhere on the internet. However, if there is enough friction to peel the tires off into dust, how can there not be enough friction and force to force the dust down into the track - unless the materials used to make the tires are different than in the past? Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-8930017488967726072008-07-28T20:12:00.000-04:002008-07-28T20:12:00.000-04:00Concerning NASCAR fans, the comment, "They didn't ...Concerning NASCAR fans, the comment, "They didn't like Sunday's race? Let'em eat cake!" is probably being heard at NASCAR HQ.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-84736566058065871722008-07-28T19:08:00.000-04:002008-07-28T19:08:00.000-04:00There was not enough down force to create enough f...There was not enough down force to create enough friction heat to "melt" the rubber into the diamond cut on the track surface. The rubber ground off as dust rather than "smearing" into the grooves. The COT is the worst thing NASCAR has done in my memory. It's IROC with another name and venue. The fans continue to loose, fewer tickets are sold, and soon the big time TV deals will go away. Yes the COT is safer, but couldn't they have mandated the safety designs into the "old" Cup cars?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-54873579791564537892008-07-28T18:42:00.000-04:002008-07-28T18:42:00.000-04:00I'm not aware of any restriction on how much testi...I'm not aware of any restriction on how much testing Goodyear can do, except for how much time a track will make available. I still have not heard or seen a good explanation for why the tires were giving off dust, rather than rubbering in the track - and I heard several commentators, including Tim Brewer say they had never seen tires do that.<BR/><BR/>DAVID- How does the height, weight, and center of gravity of the COT compare to the Cup cars before they were downsized in the 1980's?<BR/><BR/>Tires acting like they never have before - dusting - sounds like the result of a change in materials. It would seem that tires made of the same components as for 2007 should have still rubbered-in regardless of the COT center of gravity, but I'm not an engineer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-21448976799192801252008-07-28T18:02:00.000-04:002008-07-28T18:02:00.000-04:00This was terrible. No more than 12green flag laps...This was terrible. No more than 12green flag laps at a time. NASCAR and Goodyear both dropped the ball on this one. It is bad enough the racing as become somewhat boreing with this new car but this takes it a lot further. They should have packed up and went home. <BR/><BR/>Michael in Jessup Md.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-21890271588072700922008-07-28T16:19:00.000-04:002008-07-28T16:19:00.000-04:00scrounger - because the COT won't allow them to.scrounger - because the COT won't allow them to.Monkeesfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14522953722006761283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-89060544967605896882008-07-28T14:18:00.000-04:002008-07-28T14:18:00.000-04:00Congratulations to JJ on his win. On another note,...Congratulations to JJ on his win. On another note, This was by far the worst race of the year. They should have called it "The Goodyear Caution Flag 400."<BR/>That would have been perfect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-50425159637127824302008-07-28T13:31:00.000-04:002008-07-28T13:31:00.000-04:00Two points: Lucky Dog going to a car 14 laps down ...Two points: Lucky Dog going to a car 14 laps down sucks. Why give a free pass for a controlled caution ? Second point: Why couldn't the crew chiefs set up the car to negate right rear wear ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-23253038893329979622008-07-28T12:36:00.000-04:002008-07-28T12:36:00.000-04:00Hey, Captain K, do you really think NASCAR cares f...Hey, Captain K, do you really think NASCAR cares for a minute about the FIA?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-3743441849248762172008-07-28T09:28:00.000-04:002008-07-28T09:28:00.000-04:00As stated earlier, Firestone and Bridgestone are s...As stated earlier, Firestone and Bridgestone are sister companies. That is the only reason that Bridgestone had a tire at the USGP in 2005 that would last and Michelin didn't.<BR/><BR/>When Indy gorund the track early in 2005 they had an Indy car test session along with a NASCAR test session at a latter date. Both Firestone and Goodyear were able to design and produce tires for each series that year after seeing that they needed to completely redesiningg their current tire. F1had no test session, so the engineers at Firestone got together with the engineers at Bridgestone to help them produce a tire for the F1 race. None of this info was shared with Michelin so they came to Indy with pretty much the same tire that they had in 2004. As we all remember it wasn't good enough. Btw, there would have been an Indy F1 race in 2005 had Ferrari not been a bunch of babies and been willing to compromise. <BR/><BR/>Goodyear needs to do the same for those who purchased tickets yesterday as Michelin did in 2005. <BR/><BR/>NASCAR doesn't care that a few seats aren't selling, they just up the prices for those who are buying. I would have to go home and look at my tickets, but if memory serves me correct, my Daytona 500 ticket was $90.00 higher this year over last year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-8140225541889479972008-07-28T08:09:00.000-04:002008-07-28T08:09:00.000-04:00NASCAR spin!Press release from NASCAR states there...NASCAR spin!<BR/>Press release from NASCAR states there were more green flag passes this year than last. This is true, but most passing at Indy takes place on restarts. 11 cautions this year, 9 last year. Thats 140 passes per restart this year and 159 passes per restart last year. Nice try NASCAR.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15553881098790907934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-64134761899364073992008-07-28T00:38:00.000-04:002008-07-28T00:38:00.000-04:00Something was said about Akron and Goodyear. There...Something was said about Akron and Goodyear. There's nobody left in Ohio. They all moved to North Carolina looking for a job. You can't swing a dead cat in Charlotte without hitting someone who moved from Ohio to Charlotte in the last 5 years. People need to stay in Akron and do R&D for Goodyear.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-16916119089614472902008-07-28T00:12:00.000-04:002008-07-28T00:12:00.000-04:00Here are the answers we got today -Goodyear cannot...Here are the answers we got today -<BR/><BR/><EM>Goodyear cannot make a good racing tire</EM> - every year at least twice will transpire fiascos like this where Goodyear screws up so bad it ruins he race almost single-handedly. <BR/><BR/><EM>The cars were skating a lot due to lack of downforce</EM> - The other main culprit was - yes the COT. It was unraceble on every other non-restictor track before the Brickyard and it was unraceable here. Once again no one could race in dirty air because the COT won't let anyone. <BR/><BR/><EM>There was zero possibility of a darhorse or first-time winner</EM> - Elliot Sadler was theexception hat proves the rule - he ran surprisingly well but had nothing to challenge for anything beyond what he had. No other Dodge made any noise. It's a pattern seen all year that leaves 2008 on a path to a dubious honor - the first season since 1993 without a first-time winner. <BR/><BR/><EM>NASCAR officially doesn't know what it is doing anymore</EM> - The same mistakes get repeated year after year and they're left wonderng why fans no longer care about racing.Monkeesfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14522953722006761283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-24301120486905661682008-07-27T22:12:00.000-04:002008-07-27T22:12:00.000-04:00I unfortunately attended the race (joke) today, a ...I unfortunately attended the race (joke) today, a race I have had tickets for several years. What a mess! What a waste of money! Didn't NASCAR have a week or two off where they could have tested more on this track? They are too busy making money and thinking we will still pay for this crap. The economy isn't the reason for declining ticket sales, controlled racing and fixed yellows are! My father had tickets to 6 races for over 10 years, he will attend none next year, not because he can't afford to, because he thinks NASCAR is nothing but a circus and I must say, I Agree! <BR/><BR/>Wasted Day and Wasted Money.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-81274279363224407442008-07-27T21:46:00.000-04:002008-07-27T21:46:00.000-04:00anonymous at 8:58The best option would be to let B...anonymous at 8:58<BR/><BR/>The best option would be to let Bridgestone in, but they would have to do it under the Firestone banner. Bridgestone has owned Firestone since 1988, but Firestone used to be the dominant tire in NASCAR from 1947 to 1954 with Goodyear not winning at Darlington until 1959. Firestone was in the sport until 1974.<BR/><BR/>Bringing Firestone back in would let NASCAR save face by using a name with history, but letting a modern successful Bridgestone solve Goodyear's mess. Maybe Firestone could get the retired Humpy Wheeler back as their director of racing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-69727464494987617072008-07-27T21:01:00.000-04:002008-07-27T21:01:00.000-04:00Can someone please tell me why this tire issue was...Can someone please tell me why this tire issue wasn't resolved BEFORE the race? Goodyear is solely responsible for bringing the right tire. If they needed an open test, then they should have lobbied NASCAR until that happened. I can guarantee you one thing. If the right leadership had been in place (like Bill France, Jr.) this never would have happened. I understand why they had to run the race they way they did. What I don't understand is how they got to that point in the first place. Totally unforgivable and totally unacceptable. What a complete and total waste of time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-57378913154954670302008-07-27T20:58:00.000-04:002008-07-27T20:58:00.000-04:00Bridgestone tires survived the Formula One debacle...Bridgestone tires survived the Formula One debacle, Michelin tires didn't. I'd suggest Bridgestone as a second tire supplier for NASCAR. With Toyota already in NASCAR, I don't know if another non-US headquartered parent company would be permitted in NASCAR competition, though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-9107327019943529282008-07-27T20:54:00.000-04:002008-07-27T20:54:00.000-04:00i am tired of the excuses by nascar. the one that ...i am tired of the excuses by nascar. the one that upsets me the most is the latest "the economy is having an effect on attendance...." actually if the would check the facts, tickets sales and TV ratings have been steadily dropping over the past three years. I for one, used to attend 3 or 4 races a year but have since given up my tickets. not due to lack of funds but lack of interest in watching the boys in Daytona ruin this sport.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24366637.post-32201109631657087702008-07-27T20:48:00.000-04:002008-07-27T20:48:00.000-04:00I skipped the race, except for about 20 minutes bu...I skipped the race, except for about 20 minutes but from what the experts on SPEED are saying, it was the best race of the year. So what if 1/3 of it was run under caution. Those of us who wanted to see racing rather than pit stops just don't know what we are talking about.John Willishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02066175861056184445noreply@blogger.com